Nominated a pair of lion statues seperately. One succeeded, other was incorrectly rejected as duplicate. Tried to appeal, it was still incorrectly upheld as a duplicate.
I would treat it as a duplicate as well.
But it isn’t.
The description and title you’ve used are identical to the wayspot that already exists. They’re obviously designed to be displayed as a pair, so I’d say it’s correct to mark it as a duplicate and say they should have one wayspot to represent the pair.
At any rate you can’t appeal rejections here. You would need to use the appeal button within wayfarer itself.
I hate when things are treated as a duplicate when they are very clearly not
I already did. That’s why I’m here, to appeal the rejected appeal.
Submitting them as a pair would require centering the location between the two, which would be an unsafe location (the middle of a turn-off for cars). I don’t see why both can’t be seperate Wayspots.
I agree completely with @hankwolfman that these are designed to be displayed as a pair and hence are part of the same set-up. The submission in question is indeed a duplicate and has correctly been marked as such.
Not necessarily. The location of the existing Wayspot is absolutely fine.
Moving the topic to Nomination Support as this was a community reject and this category is not working on this type of appeals. Also, I can see some feedback was given to the OP.
So then center it on the other lion so the fountain next to the chosen lion can be a Wayspot, too.
There’s nothing stopping the fountain from becoming a wayspot. The database has no proximity rules. It’s only the games that use proximity rules.
Also, attempting to move a wayspot that’s already in a correct location in order to manipulate the game board of a specific game could be considered as abusive. @NianticAaron already told you that the current position is fine where it is.
Certain wayspots can have multiple correct locations. I was under the impression that they can be moved without issue in those situations (I have certainly done so).
That was in context of moving the wayspot into the middle of the street. My understanding is it does not preclude moving it onto the other lion (though it should be done through normal channels).
They definitely can, and Niantic can also consider doing so abuse, so perhaps not always without issue.
This is true when you are submitting. But trying to move a Wayspot that is already in a correct location so that it will show in another game has been called abuse. I can’t find where that was said now, so maybe Niantic will reiterate that on this forum for us to be able to link. I admit I had done several edits to equally correct locations that would show in Pokemon Go as well as Ingress that I was really nervous about after learning that could be considered abuse. They are all decided now, and I am not submitting any more edits that are not clearly a real life improvement.
@NianticAaron already told you that the current position is fine where it
…But it isn’t fine if it’s preventing other eligible Wayspots from becoming visible in games, which enhances enjoyment of the games (which is the only reason I contribute my unpaid labor of submitting Wayspot nominations). How am I supposed to know that only one lion can be eligible? I submitted them both based on my previous experiences encountering lion statues in games - Which appear individually and not as a set. If this rule was spelled out more clearly, I only would have submitted the other lion in the first place.
Well I’m glad you appealed it I would have too
One of the Golden rules (not to self: must put a post together) in Wayfarer is don’t base your ideas as to what is eligible on what you see already agreed.
It is counter intuitive BUT criteria and what can be eligible has changed over time, and sometimes objects are wrongly agreed.
It is great that through Wayfarer we can put things in the various games. Interacting with those is a great reward.
But achieving this is not simple.
Golden rule number 2 - plan. Understand the area you are submitting in and how the rules will apply.
If in any doubt try to seek the advice of others about what will be best to submit. Have back up objects so if one turns out to not be acceptable you can move on to another.
Ask. People in here are very willing to pass on their experience and knowledge.
Why am I in a position to pass on that experience?
Because over the years I have made mistakes, but then I have learned from them.
You made the wrong choice in thinking a second lion would be a better choice than the totally different fountain. It is very frustrating and hard to take on board but if you want to avoid that feeling then learn this hard lesson.
Maybe because 90% of the Wayfarer community downvotes every question on Reddit, people feel uncomfortable even asking.
But I wonder, what enjoyment are the really hardcore Wayfarer people getting out of this if not to make the games more enjoyable? I’m baffled that anyone would look at this situation and think it’s reasonable to see requesting a Wayspot to be moved from one position to another perfectly acceptable position as a bannable offense. Don’t we all do this to make the games more fun?
Moving a wayspot from an inaccurate position to an accurate position should not be a problem!
That said there is a bit of background that wayfarers may need…
The original Niantic game (may be other apps before) was Ingress. Ingress players were encouraged to submit points of interest. Niantic was also scraping existing databases. These include but are not limited to: United States Post office locations and the Historical Marker Database (HMDB).
So Ingress had a free for all time in addition to some databases being used. Though to be fair, if I understand correctly, Niantic folks had to accept the emailed suggestions.
This became untenable and OPR was born. Operation Portal Recon for Ingress. A more official process.
Then Pokémon Go went live. But here’s the kicker, no one really noticed the inclusion rule differences between the games until Pokémon Go players were allowed to nominate
Because of the difference in proximity vs aperant cell density, people started abusing the move edit functionality. (Not saying that Ingress folks never did, but the sparseness of Pokethings vs Ingress Portals led to increased issues).
This led to Niantic clamping down on the various games editing capabilities and clarification on their accepted sits and movement details.
It’s not about moving a spot from an inaccurate location though.
There are two lion statues and a fountain. I submitted both lions as well as the fountain. Lion #1 and the fountain are in the same L17 cell, while the lion #2 is in a different L17 cell. I submitted all of them, not realizing the lions couldn’t be counted seperately (because the rules aren’t spelled out that clearly).
Lion #1 went into voting first and was approved. Lion #2 went into voting after and was marked as a duplicate. Niantic rejected the appeal as a duplicate. NianticAaron, who people seem to regard as an infallible god, explained above that both lions cannot be seperate wayspots because they’re a set, even though the approved Wayspot clearly focuses on one lion statue rather than “lion statues” and the location can only center on one statue rather than centered between them (due to the space between them being an unsafe car turn).
And now everyone has a ridiculously rigid mentality that asking to have Lion #2 be the focus of the Wayspot so that the fountain will appear in PoGo as a seperate Pokestop is an unreasonable request and that, “too bad, there’s nothing you can do” without potentially getting banned for manipulation even though Lion #2 is an equally correct location. I find it ridiculous that people are being this rigid and tedious.
I’m here to make the gaming experience more enjoyable. I don’t think it’s reasonable to permantly doom the creation of two perfectly acceptable Pokestops all because I didn’t have the foresight to only submit Lion #2 and the fountain. That’s not fair and it’s a waste of my free labor.
I perfectly understand how it would be abuse to move a Wayspot to an inaccurate location, but it should be perfectly acceptable to move a Wayspot with multiple correct locations to a more advantageous one.
Ah yes. I don’t disagree with the finding. The original nominated lion is in an accurate spite and was accepted by the community.
The second lion is part of the overall piece and was deemed either a duplicate or not distinct. Also makes sense since it was a pair of lions at the location.
The fountain is a viable wayspot. I encourage you to nominate it.
