Thanks for your reply, but it seems like you’re not understanding my issue. I’ve had to repeat myself multiple times already and it’s getting a bit frustrating to be continually misunderstood.
Oh I am. And so is Niantic.
They have chosen to draw a line that they don’t want to cross on ‘equally legitimate spots’. If the spot is accurate, they are choosing not to spend time and resources on moving it. And that’s because there is little benefit for them.
For the most part it is players trying to move an accurate (enough) spot from one cell to another. Niantic considers this abuse as it is prioritizing one game board. They don’t want to spend their time on that (and disenfranchise other games).
The only exception seems to be large sporting fields. Niantic does not want spots in the middle of the fields (interfering with sport game play) so will accept moves to the sidelines or entrance gates.
The fountain is nominated. But it won’t appear as a Pokestop in PoGo because that L17 cell is now already occupied by Lion #1. So whereas in hindsight, PoGo could have had two perfectly valid Pokestops, the fountain and Lion #2, now that location is doomed forever to only have one Pokestop (Lion #1) and there’s nothing I can do about it. I don’t think that’s fair. Why won’t anyone admit that it isn’t fair?
“And that’s because there is little benefit for them.”
Making the games more enjoyable brings benefit to everyone, and draws more people to play the games, which is a benefit to Niantic. This is especially important for areas with very few acceptable POIs like this location, where local players lose interest quickly due to lack of Wayspots.
I don’t see that as being unfair. You nominated something and it was accepted to the Lightship map. The games have the opportunity to pull from the map to populate their game boards. Pokémon Go pulled the Lion onto the game board.
Let me try to explain again. If I never nominated Lion #1, we’d have two Pokestops in that area, and that would have been perfectly acceptable according to the rules. Instead, I’m being punished forever for being too proactive. How is that not unfair?
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Punished? That seems a bit dramatic don’t you think?
My philosophy is to accurately nominate all the things that I think are eligible. I do this agnostically to the known proximity rules and suspected density rules.
If you are interested in being more intentional with future nominations there are articles that are shared on the forum frequently that you can read.
I don’t think it’s dramatic at all. If you can have 2 instead of 1, and having 2 instead of 1 is acceptable within the parameters of the rules, why would anyone be content to settle for 1?
Try to put yourself in the shoes of rural and suburban game players who already have a much more restrictive gaming experience due to have very few options of acceptable POIs. You don’t have to play a particular game to see things from someone else’s perspective.
What is dramatic is dooming that area to forever only have one Pokestop when having two Pokestops could have been perfectly legal, all because I wasn’t privy to some very vague, arbitrary rules. Several people above have basically explained it as such, telling me I could have had two Pokestops and it’s my own fault for not putting more thought into it from the beginning. And the consequences are forever. Don’t try to sugarcoat it.
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I’m not sugarcoating anything. As I said above, I nominate anything and everything that I think is interesting/eligible. All nominations are actually for Niantic’s Lightship database. This is the map that rules them all.
I fault the in game information for nominating that doesn’t make things clear. For the 2 games that currently allow nominations, they both infer you are nominating directly for them. If approved nominatiors think it will be in the game they nominated it for. Neither game mentions that they have proximity or density rules.
If I were you, I’d be salty at the Pokémon Go inclusion rule set. Not at Wayfarer. Heck, you got your spot accepted through wayfarer (and likely the fountain will be accepted too). Wayfarer did it’s job.
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Pokemon Go and Wayfarer are both Niantic though. It’s Niantic I’m frustrated with.
Unfortunately all the departments seem to be stovepiped. I don’t have much faith that game complaints made here are heard.
I support you on this being hidden from Pokémon Go player base!
While I agree with you that Pokémon Go’s density restrictions are also unfair, I take issue with the idea that I should potentially be punished if I attempt to move the Wayspot between two locations that have both been deemed “correct” by Niantic. It’s fair to have rules against people trying to move a Wayspot from a correct location to an incorrect location. It’s not fair to punish someone in a case like this one where there are more than one correct location.
But what if I moved your Pokéstop to an equally correct location that benefited me in Pikmin Bloom, but would make it disappear in Pokémon GO?
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I admit it is extremely frustrating. An analogy would be if you nominated a small playground and placed the pin over the slide of a play set and it doesn’t show in your game of choice. Then you find out that if you had placed it over the seesaw it would’ve been in your game of choice, but it makes it ineligible for another game. Both places would have been on the actual playground, but moving it now would be considered by Niantic to be abusing the location move.
Whether it’s fair or not, it’s their rules. And now, knowing their rules, you’ll be better place to make future nominations more strategically…
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Or worse yet, you make a move to benefit Pokémon Go and it deletes an important Ingress portal. Then you’d have to deal with the wrath of those highly passionate Ingress players 
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@Shackawick
I appreciate it doesn’t look like this to you, but what people are trying to do is to stop you from getting into trouble.
I absolutely get it.
Yes you could have had the lion and the fountain as stops.
But because they are where they are any attempt to move it will be seen as an attempt to manipulate the gameboard. Yes that is frustrating but we are making you aware of it because we want you not to suffer consequences and to learn.
I think you have done the learning.
If you could turn back time with the knowledge you now have you would do things differently.
It’s frustrating because you unknowingly made a mistake and although you can see a solution, but it’s a solution that coukd make matters worse for you.
Take some deep breaths come to terms with the situation here, and find your next place. With your new knowledge plan out carefully what you want to submit and in what order.
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…And what I’m doing is speaking up again a rule that isn’t fair. Change doesn’t come unless we speak up. Manipulation of the game board should only be seen as a bad thing if it makes locations inaccurate.
That’s very unlikely to happen, though? Rules concerning distance between Ingress portals are more lax than the distance required between Pokestops. Ingress has way more portals than PoGo has Pokestops.
As for the other games, they don’t seem to sync new Wayspots to the game board very often at all, so it’s also very unlikely that moving a newly-created Pokestop will affect their gameplay.
Don’t mix up Ingress proximity rules with apparent cell rules for the other games. In Ingress they have to be 20 meters or greater apart. Pokémon Go can get much closer than that at cell boundaries.
But to get at the heart of your argument— you think that Pokémon Go has the right to trump the other game boards?! That is incredibly rude especially since people have taken the time to walk you through what you are actually nominating, where the accepted wayspot lives (lightship database), and only then do each and every game have the opportunity to populate their game boards.
It does not matter how frequently they sync. Your argument is that you made an mistake with a Pokémon Go poke thing placement so you and other Pokémon Go players don’t have to consider the other uses of this wayspot?
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If we know the Wayspot is brand new and isn’t going to be appearing in Pikmin Bloom or Monster Hunter for at least several months, there should be a window of time to adjust it to the most optimal correct location for the benefit of the games it actually appears in.