I would like to know if this bar, which has been reopened for a couple of months, can be considered for a PokéStop. What convinces me that it could be a possible wayspot is the fact that this pub, in addition to being open in the morning and at lunch, hosts karaoke and jazz-themed dance nights in the evenings. Therefore, I deduce that it could be a place for meeting and having a peaceful conversation. I would like to hear your opinion before submitting a possible application. I will also leave you the coordinates to see the place if you want, although I should mention that the street view is quite old by a few years. (45.1510258, 8.6628072).
Bars and pubs need to be family-friendly, and allow those under 18 to be at the location, even if they’re required to have an adult with them. Pubs in parts of Europe are more like restaurants or diners, similar to the American Applebee’s chain, where they serve meals throughout the day to all ages, as well as offer alcoholic drinks to those old enough.
I assume this is at the location of what used to be the Pepper Cafe, which I can see on Street View being there in the past. Locally-owned eateries can make good places to be social, and for visitors to maybe explore, but it all depends on the description and supporting info provided that helps to get it approved. More info on businesses can be found here:
According to Wayfarer criteria, places where adults socialize with music, dance, and/or drinks can be excellent points of interest, fulfilling one or more of the fundamental criteria.
Liquor stores, strip clubs and pornographic venues are prohibited, but singing, dancing, and drinking are a-okay.
The criterion says “Location is an adult-oriented store or service…” it is followed by the list you included above as examples, but it is clear they are examples, not an exhaustive list. No where has it been said that adult-only places
Sure they can be as long as they are not only adult-oriented.
Correct, they are only examples of adult locations, not a complete list.
I get many nominations in review for bars, breweries, wineries, etc here in the US, and typically the submitter doesn’t identify if these are family-friendly and allow those under 18 at their establishments. I will do a search for the place, to see if they have a website or social media, and mention anything about allowing those under 18. Some have this info, some don’t, but if there is a good deal of photos on their social media with just adults in them, then they most likely don’t allow those under a certain age.
Keep in mind that Niantic is creating a map that is open to all ages, not just adults. If adults were the sole target of Niantic’s targets, then there might be a good deal of adult locations in the games, which many under 18 do play.
Also, I gave a good example of a place with a bar that may be eligible, if it wasn’t a generic chain. Applebee’s have bars, but they are separate from the restaurant area where those of all ages are allowed. Only those 21 and over are allowed into the bar area at Applebee’s in the US.
There are also many local bars that have separate restaurants attached to them where all ages are allowed, or an outdoor area that is all ages. Some bars with restaurants may allow all ages up to a certain time, such as until 9pm, and then are open to adults only for a few more hours.
A bar that is only for adults and only serves adults are ineligible, especially if they don’t serve anything other than alcohol. Many bars sell packs of beer to take home, which is what a liquor store also does.
A water tower at a battery factory would be unsafe for anyone but the workers at the factory, so that would be a thumbs down on Safe, as pedestrians wouldn’t be able to access it. The UPS transfer facility is a generic business; I would never consider nominating the UPS facility in my city because of this of any UPS store.
You have been given the information in regards to bars. Also, the OP is in Italy, and pubs are different than they are in the US. Many of the UK Wayfarers have confirmed this, hence why I mentioned pubs being different in Europe.
Please keep your comments constructive and positive; we do not want to drive the OP away from possibly submitting an eligible place.
It’s certainly worth a try, presuming it’s a bar/cafe welcoming to all ages and not a nightclub open only to adults. Make the case in your nomination that it’s an asset to the community, hosting karaoke, dancing, live music, etc., otherwise it’s likely to get the ‘generic business’ rejection (or at least that’s my experience with Italian reviewers… most bars/cafes/food businesses seem to be generic in the eyes of the reviewers here lol.) Just saying that it’s a hotspot may not be enough for the reviewers. If the bar has a Facebook or Instagram or other social media, you might try to link that in the supplemental information section as well, especially if they post about events they host.
Well, neither a water at a battery factory nor a UPS distribution center would meet any eligibility criteria. And if the areas are truly hazardous then they lack safe pedestrian access.
If your argument is that a site in a place traditionally only frequented by adults is the same as a place where children are specifically excluded, I would say that is a false equivalence. There is a way spot in my office building. While it is usually only adults in the building, children can and do come in. (Though since COVID, the whole building is mostly a ghost town)
Niantic has not instructed its explorers only to nominate places where children are always welcome.
For legal reasons (and perhaps altruistic ones) they require the exclusion of certain venues that might lure a child into jeopardy.
Their instructions do no require reviewers to look for evidence of children’s presence. Among the nominations that Niantic staff themselves have made are nightclubs that serve alcohol to people while they socialize, dance, and listen to music.
I do not advocate for the acceptance of Wayspots atop water towers. That was the Niantic staff’s position, yesterday. A Keep Out sign listed dangers at a manufacturing facility. Somebody placed a wayspot atop a tower, and the consensus was that some facilities staffers could climb the ladder, so the spot was not eligible for removal. There was no consideration of children, whatsoever.
Niantic has specifically instructed reviewers to reject POI’s that specifically exclude children, they are called “adult themed“. It seems as though you’re confusing the issue. Probably better to take this conversation elsewhere because it’s not directly related to the original post.
Adult themed means age gated ie a load of stuff the filter on this forum will take offense to
It doesnt mean dancing with either drinks or cola!
So yes I would say the pub sounds awesome! I would expect for that kind of venue that probably older teens would be allowed with an adult anyway so the semantics are probably a non issue
It is not clear at all where you’re coming up with these odd definitions. Certainly not from any guidance that has ever been provided that I can find through searching or that I have read in the past.
Places that serve alcohol along with food and cater to families or adults regardless of whether or not they have children can be great places to socialize. But a bar that is for adults only does not qualify. I certainly don’t understand how there would be any awkward conversations in mixed aged groups around alcohol.
If you have some guidance that has been provided officially that would somehow support that it would be great if you could share it.
Alcohol is illegal for many under the age of 18, making some locations that serve them to be providing adult services. Alcohol can be very dangerous to children, as their bodies are still developing. Starting to drink alcohol at an early age can even lead to doing other illegal things at an early age, such as using illegal drugs. If their family has a history of addiction, that could become a problem to a child if they start drinking.
Here in the US, it’s illegal for those under the age of 21; Canada’s legal age is 18; it’s different in other countries, but most have a legal age. A bar that may have music every so often and serves alcohol most likely will have a sign right at the front door noting that those underage are not permitted, as it would be a violation of their liquor license. IDs are also checked, either at the entrance by a bouncer, or at the bar if there is no bouncer, and if underage, they most likely will have to leave. My city has several bars like this, and none have Wayspots.
Yes, here in the US, bars are issued liquor licenses by the town/city they are in, and a part of those licenses is that they do not serve to those underage. I have seen bars get their licenses revoked because they were serving to those underage, most who use fake IDs to enter the establishment.
I agree with @Leedle95 that this separate discussion about adult locations shouldn’t be discussed here. Again, pubs are different in Europe than the US, one thing I made sure to mention in my first reply to the OP. Discussing this issue here can be discouraging to the OP when it comes to them wanting to submit the pub they mentioned.
I keep seeing more and more hopping into threads, starting arguments that do not help the OP, and it really, REALLY needs to end. Start a new thread if you really want to discuss this, and keep your comments here constructive for the OP, please.
No, there’s nothing adult about music venues, per say. However, here in the US, we have many bars with music venues, and they are age-restricted due to their liquor licenses. They may allow those 18 and over for a music event, but those 18-20 may have to get a wrist band or stamp on their hand that indicates they cannot get alcohol from the bar. Anyone under the age of 18 are not allowed.
I made sure to mention in my first reply to the OP that pubs in Europe are different than pubs in the US. In the US, pubs are usually just bars, age restricted to those 21 and over; one of the Irish pubs in my city is just a bar for those 21 and over. In the UK, a pub may have both a bar and a restaurant, and those underage are welcome to enjoy a meal there. We do have a few pubs like this as well, that serve both food and alcohol, and all ages are welcome; their website even lists kid’s menus for each location.
I just wish more would learn the cultural differences of pubs in the US and pubs in Europe. Not always the same thing.
