Can we get more rewards for reviewing - Discussion

Hello Wayfinders!

As mentioned in one of our AMA responses, we’d love your feedback on what we should consider for additional rewards for reviewing in Wayfarer. Feel free to drop ideas and discuss them here.

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Maybe additional appeals? I rarely use upgrades and appeals, but I know there are many that run out of their appeals quickly.

I’m trying to think less game-centric, as it seems that the other games may come into play for Wayfarer in the future. I don’t know if game-centric rewards may be the way to go, as not all of us play the other games.

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Something that’d be really cool to me would be to have a secondary scrapbook in PoGo, with postcards from any Waypoints I’ve nominated that have become Pokestops. Something I can pull out and show people when flailing excitedly about Wayfarer in their direction.

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When I got something accepted and it synced to Ingress (before the split) I got a Portal Key.

Could Pokémon GO give a Gift from the accepted Wayspot if it becomes a PokéStop? Then people can pin or show off to a Friend by sending them that Gift

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If it is possible to give rewards within Pokemon Go then what about “coins” as this then can be used for or towards whatever the trainer needs / wants.

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I think the request I hear most often is for more nominations. A lot of us went from 80 to 40 when Ingress split. I think reviewing to earn more nominations would appeal to some of the biggest contributors of nominations to review.

(i had “a month” in here, but that isn’t exactly accurate, since it is 40 at once with one new one added per day.)

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Defenitely more appeals for me. I need like 15 at the moment😅

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Not exactly a “reward,” but something that could help keep reviewers interested — could we have an option to set a list of 5–10 keywords and not receive nominations containing those (like “memorial” or “plaque”)? Either don’t pick them from the queue at all, or pick and automatically skip them.

I don’t mind if other reviewers want to accept “memorial plaques,” reject them, or vote :+1::+1::+1::+1: / :-1::-1::-1: (whatever that means), or if submitters end up wasting an appeal on them later. Automatically excluding certain things would just save time :slightly_smiling_face:

One of the questions we had that didn’t make it into the recent AMA was about balancing the risk and rewards.

I’ll keep it short but the risk was about the punishments - rightly or wrongly - across all the games.

But the idea for the rewards was more to do with submissions and good faith contributions (read: quality edits) not really focused on the reviewing aspect.

So think of the current Wayfarer Recognition Email (as well as future ones that incorporate the metrics from other games). You get XP in Pokémon GO every time someone interacts with your Wayspot. Similar bonus in MNH and PB as well. Remember we got AP in Ingress. It can be exclusive bonuses too.

And of course, you see all your historical benefits in your Wayfarer Dashboard across all the games.

End of the day, it’s just digital bonus but can make a difference to some (think rural players in particular). Makes them feel valued and recognized.

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Building off of this, I feel like it might be nice to get an extra submission for each accepted wayspot, or potentially one extra one for every five accepted ones. It would be a reward for actually putting effort into submissions and making sure everything is at its best

Sounds like there could be an underlying issue here. Training, education and marketing for reviewers might help here. Unless eMiLy is saying she has a headache.

The problem with appeals is that can still be a hit or miss anyway - unless something changes there as well.

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i think that what we can see from this discussion is that it’s different for different people.

I personally nominate in low numbers so more submissions or appeals would not benefit myself. This is not saying that this shouldn’t be the extra reward, I don’t require extra doesn’t mean others don’t.

Seems this will be a case that whatever was decided would not please everyone. It needs to be something that would please the largest percentage.

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Nothing changes with my appeals, they always get accepted.

It’s just endless waiting for appeals for me. I submit lots of hiking trail markers at interesting places and these are a hit or miss, still need to appeal about 10 of those.

Then there is the problem with private property. Reviewers in my area reject everything as private property if it is inside a building, like a statue in a museum. Or art for example. Still need to appeal like 8 of those

And the other rejected submissions which might get acceapted on appeal. Still have around 10 of those as well.

So that is around 26 missing appeals for me

13x15 days = 195 days until backlog of mine is cleared

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How do you think about earning an appeal of an appeal (“bad appeal decision”)?

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Anything I get for doing something I kinda enjoy doing is a win but not why I do it.

Make medals harder to get as making it easy to achieve contributes to the quality issues in what gets into the map - as it is contributor to people not caring about the review it is a race to the medal. So please avoid reward that make levelling up easier

Giving more nominations is risky as there are nominators who just post everything they can. So more pap in system versus better quality question.

Appeals/Upgrades are cool so what @AMG7070 and @DTrain2002 said

Weirdly it seems there are more nominating idea rewards not reviewing. So hey joining in.. I like the idea that if a POI becomes an in game location that I get a Gift with Postcard I can send.

That said - I would love to be able to send postcards of some of my nominations even though I moved on from that area.. As I rate them :slight_smile: As @darkersolstice said there is also the postcard scrapbook of my favourite nominations!! Nothing like showing off :slight_smile: I know with get togethers I show off what I have nominated recently if we in that area

@SlimboyFat71 has a good idea. Basically a small coin contribution that you can spend as you like for x amount of reviews …

But back to @DTrain2002 being less game centric is a good way to look at it. I don’t know other games so my view will always be PGO related if in game.

Appeals/Upgrades is the way to go.

I think a reward for a review that gets in game is interesting. But that only addresses accepted in game and this is about reviewing. That means your ability to reject is as important as accepting.

With eMiLy doing so much reviewing. Well in removing rubbish when she is on fire does that mean there is less to review… or harder…

I think this is a very important point by @SlimboyFat71 - if you are not a big reviewer but you review well - then how do you get rewarded for your quality versus your quantity… I will hazard there are super reviewers versus get medal for levelling up versus those who just like to do it and do a few here and there constantly.

So maybe like some continuity rewards you see in games.. if you do 10 reviews each month for 12 months you get something such as extra appeals/upgrades. So you build recognition for consistency not quantity.

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the concern i have about awarding more appeals is the incorrect appeals decisions we are seeing at this volume. do you have a suggestion for regulating the number of appeals the team has to review? i do love this suggestion, just trying to see how it could be implemented.

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The Wayfarer Challenge offers generous rewards, but how about sending small perks each month for participating in a set number of reviews? For PGO, perhaps one Battle Pass and one Incubator; for MHN, one Ticket and one Healing Potion or one Refining Material each. Previous Challenges sent rewards not only for ING and PGO but also for Peridot. Similarly, MHN and PB should also be able to send rewards.
I believe we need something to keep reviewers motivated to continue participating. Even when nominations are actually submitted, upgrades are often no longer needed. But that’s only because reviewers exist; if upgrades become unnecessary, the number of reviewers will decrease.

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Good point.

We are seeing incorrect appeal decisions a little more frequently.

I suggest having a designated category for wrong appeal decision just like the wayspot appeals section so it is easy see for staff, it may take longer, because of that but then the team can check on them whenever they can and so it is easily visible for them not to overwhelm them.

I like this suggestion a lot. There was intended to be no appeal of the appeal, but it does seem like the more appeals that are done, the more need there is for a dedicated place.

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Unfortunately, even though I think this is the solution to the question you gave me, I think it will still get too overwhelming for staff, because new members are gonna see this too and post there rejected appeals there as well, when it was correctly rejected.

So we need some kind of section for incorrect appeals that can be handled by staff without getting too overwhelming for them. And we need to filter out the correct appeal decisions from this category. That will be the best ideal solution.

Achievable? In the foreseeable future, not really I think

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