Community Garden rejection

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Any tips on improving the likelihood of approval appreciated. Looking at other posts it looks like an AI refusal (Refused on “wayfarer criteria” under 12 hours of submission).

Wayspot Submission for Brickfields Community Garden

Description

Community garden in the heart of the neighbourhood. A place for kids to play, relax and picnic in the summer

Supplemental Information

A community green space where 50+ people can gather and is a safe place for local children to socialise and play. Satelitte imagery not up to date but street view is recent and accurate.
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This could just be a language issue, but i wouldn’t call that a garden. To me, a community garden is a place where people actually plant things, typically vegetables, for cultivation and harvesting. This is an open space. But I’m not convinced that it is more than just sidewalk/pavement.

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I’d be doubtful about this, it’s not a community garden but it might qualify as a park or similar.

I note that in the background of the main photo are some cars where the registration plate might be readable, this is a reason for rejection too. You might want to experiment with angles and cropping to remove them.

Also, in these new builds it can be hard to verify the proposed wayspot. I find it helpful to have a supporting photo with something easily verifiable such as a street name sign. If Google Maps isn’t up to date, you can always use a reference to OpenStreetMap.org or Bing Maps.

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Thanks for the tips.

I went with Community garden as it’s colloquially known ’Brickfields Community Garden’ and also labelled as such on google maps and OSM.

It is certainly currently lacking in plants but as shritwod notes it is part of a new build and they are planted but not established (there will be a tree as a centrepiece as well), but leaning toward a park tag and mentioning this in supporting may be a good step.

I did wonder about the cars, especially if AI is recognising number plates so I’ll try and get some pictures in good weather and no cars (the downside is that, that is when it is full of children playing).

Perhaps I could also hold off until the plants are more established.

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The reason why community gardens are typically accepted is that they are great places to be social. They are places where community members come together to plant, grow and share. Although your spot is called a community garden, it is not what is normally considered as such.

You will need to explain to reviewers how this place is a great place to exercise, explore or be social. And not just where these things can happen, but why it is a great place where one or more of these things happen.

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I usually leave “England” posts alone since we have plenty of folks from that part of the world on here to comment with a more local perspective. But I don’t see where it has been addressed that the rejection reason was “Wayfarer criteria” yet. Was this rejected at around 24 hours after it was submitted? If so, this may have been a rejection by Niantic’s ML (machine learning ai) model.

If the model did not understand what the nomination is, you may want to try appealing this. You get 2 appeals, each on a 20 day timer before you can use them again.

If the license plates on the cars in the background are readable, I would not appeal this. If you resubmit, then I think the Title you used is fine if that is was the neighborhood calls it. But I would describe it as you did in the supporting instead of saying “Community garden” in the description.

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Google Maps and OSM can both have places added to them quite easily, so this could be a case of someone trying to manipulate the maps to get a wayspot where it doesn’t belong. I could easily check the edit logs on OSM to see if this is the case for that map, though Google Maps does not have a similar log.

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Interesting… I have a vested interested in community gardens and pocket parks. I like them. So soft spot. But I do not submit unless I know it can pass. This looks at first glance to be a very hard sell.

Evidence evidence evidence. If your local council has documentation that this is an open space for community gathering and will be used as a community garden (which to many many people means a place where people grow veggies etc) then your “sale” of this is difficult. Even community website that talks about it.

Quality quality and quality. Title, text, photos, supporting. I would not use the word community with the word garden. In fact an Italian word springs to mind. It is a piazza. A hard covered ground area surrounded by buildings. Though in the UK that would tend to be a “square” but they tend not to be square! :slight_smile: I think the US (correct if wrong) may use the word plaza. This is not a classic one of those - and we need to be careful as many people may think of these places Plaza De Armas, Trafalgar Square, Convent Garden, Potsdamer Platz or Times Square.

The key point of these is that they are (whatever the size) - most often a focal point of a place where transport lines meet. That could be argued here :slight_smile:

I would work photo. Try and take on phone not in game and look around how it might work. I often take them first, crop / centre then load photo when creating nomination. But you have houses and cars on all sides here. Supporting photo is pretty similar to the main photo so that might put people off. And the sun is blurring out part of the photo

Claiming something could be used to socialise by X number of people is not the same as evidence they do socialise. At best, to me, it is a place to explore .Providing a space of community to gather and exercise while walking in their community. But be aware many people who see this in street view will see a spot of 3 benches and where 3 paths meet

New builds are tough!!! Notorious in any area for creating the community elements post build if they build at all. This includes playgrounds to fitness stations, trails, nature spots etc.

Which is why a lot of people get together and write to council asking where are all the community facilities from walking trails to fitness stations. Always worth poking them!

I agree with Hankwolfman. Anyone can add comments/language to google maps etc. I have seen many local parks renamed on google that do not use their official name! Where someone has gone in and called it so and so close reserve and the other end is called so so road park but the official name is something else. So I now treat map names with suspicion. And I always say get the official word/evidence from council etc

I am not trying to put you off @C3stM0i64 . Just pointing out that some nominations need more work than others. This may be one of those.

Are there any other Points of interest near by. Cafes, hiking paths, playgrounds etc. I E the low hanging fruit that you can nail?

Good luck.

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“Pocket park” is a great term, I’ve seen quite a few wayspots accepted with that in the description.

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I think waiting until the spring planting is there will help visually.
Which builder is responsible? Can you find a PDF of the estate on line?
There is usually a plan and it will show places designed for public spaces . Planning applications will also have notes about the space and any requirements. If the builders are still on site ask if they are going to install any information boards? Perhaps of the history of the area or wildlife. Is there any significance in Brickfields as a name. The builders do try to spend as little as possible on these areas but if you don’t ask you never know.

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I had success with a community garden recently on appeal. This was a community planted garden with a tiny sign, some benches, and paths crossing near the shops in the centre of until recently unused green space. Establishing the garden there has made it more usable :blush:

If there are links you can add and maybe focus in more on the seating or a sign if there is one, you could possibly get it through

Once youre happy your attempt is as good as it can be then you can also try an appeal? It worked for me.

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As someone who moved to a new build a little under a year ago, I think these are actually easy?

We have at least 6 Wayspots here and I’ve contacted the management company about adding a trail about the history of the area, working with our local history group, which they both seem up for.

I’ve also visited other new build areas and made sure they had Wayspots ready for when the majority moved in. (It’s how the ones in my area got placed too, I had no idea I would be living there, just being helpful a few years back! The house selling folks had my details to tell me when facilities were built, and did email me when it was done to be fair to them)

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My local council actually calls them that!! :slight_smile:

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There in lies the kicker. We can work with developers. We can work with council. Get together with others… ask for

Hiking trails (including ones that link all the parks in an area etc)
Playgrounds
Playstations (Think of a walking trail with playground equipment along it)
Fitness stations
Play courts… Tennis walls, with handball court (f square), basketball half court
Community Gardens as @frealafgb has suggested
Picnic tables not just benches
Park signage for even small parks
List of all council space on council websites

Even as if they are planning community halls like mensheds (a misnomer as they for anyone) or reach out to local groups about little free libraries

I know someone who created flyers and had a host of suggestions and then provided links to all the key contacts at council. Luckily today there are a host of social media sites for council and local groups. It is not easy. Some take more work some less.

Maybe we should start a new thread looking at ways we can help nominators think of ideas to do in their area. Or who has had success.

Really pleased to hear how you got POIS @PkmnTrainerJ ! Any other ideas? and nice work @frealafgb

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Thanks!! :yellow_heart: I was pleased to get it accepted!

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