It appears to be a banner and not a trail marker (I could be wrong). If it’s a trail marker it should be approved. If it just is information on banner, it should be removed.
not sure if these are any use, I got these from EDC archives (who props were very helpful) . I put this link above all the others as it shows you again from the official EDC Council website archive pages that went with the original campaign that kicked off historically in 2015 and led to the creation of the safe cycle routes in EDC.
The cycle routes were created in partnership with Police Scotland who worked closely with local authorities in several areas (all with different banners - which were created by local school children in each respective area as part of a contest ironically to win a new bike). There was an entire advertising campaign surrounding the creation of these routes which you can read more about here -
Archives at EDC (again lovely lady) have told me these routes can never removed. They are protected and registered. They each have a unique identifier at the top right corner of the route specific to that route.
I am really not sure what else we can all give you here, without actually physically walking down to the local council with you and having them explain the whole history of the creation of the routes. I have tried my best to go and collect all the evidence. The archives office have stated that you can see from the original map some routes stem off but you cannot physically see the street names due to the building of houses etc so they printed off what they thought FOR THE TIME PERIOD would be an adequate map which was then signed off on as safe and approved. They have partially updated their map (these are obviously still a WIP and created a link to the new maps) from their original bearsway cycle route post and they have created a new map which does show as gazza correctly stated both ends of Dumgoyne Ave as a connecting pathway for the cycle routes - they have omitted the street name as the historical banners were already in place for this area and cannot be removed (hence protected cycle route status) however it is a recognised offshoot to both Bearsway AND to the new healthy habits route. The fact the banner remains in situ with the 2 marks in the top right corner shows that it forms part of this route.
I do apologise I’m not entirely great with words my brain jumbles stuff sometimes.
I really hope that I have done enough legwork here for Niantic. I don’t mean that in a bad way, but at this point I see no harm in providing every single piece of evidence I have collected in person from EDC archives (at a cost btw because council budgets right?) and by having it all explained to me
I really still would like to know how it was removed in the first place and the reason for removal as well as answers to my above questions.
I hope someone can formulate this better but i have given you all the evidence I have personally gathered today from the EDC archives.
Again, thank you for your continued engagement with this thread and thank you for reading.
We all hope this can now be restored.
if you will permit me @NianticAaron i also have an email follow up from the lady at the archives and i would like to send this via dm if possible just because it has names and sensitive information in it however she confirms its part of the cycle route.
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Just tagging younincase you missed the last posts request
Bumpjng this again as @mrshomersimpson has provided a lot more evidence and wants to dm you with emails (doesnt want tonpost them as they include peoples names)
@NianticAtlas @NianticAaron bumping again, and will do every day tilk this gets looked at since mote evidence has been given
Good luck with that. Aaron has been actively avoiding my trail marker topic for days as well.
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So the banner says to give more space. In my local area where there are signs like this they would not be eligible. Despite maybe being in an area where a regional trail links up to a road and both drivers and cyclists drive. As this has been a large proponent for cyclists to ensure safety while biking.
When we say something is on a trail that doesn’t mean it is necessarily a trail marker.
This is what some people are claiming for benches since they exist on trails or in parks. If I walk a 2km trail and there is a trail head at either end and maybe 5 benches along the trail, I am exercising while on the trail and will approach these benches. Yet they don’t meet eligibility unless maybe they are distinct or unique, represent a significant person or offer a scenic view.
To me it looks like a banner and not a marker for the trail. Similar to signs here that state “share the road” or “make space”. But hopefully Niantic will get back to you and answer the question.
On another thread they did state that “trail markers are eligible”. Although, I am sure most have seen there are exceptions to the rule that just don’t make sense.
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I mean, there a full post with evidence for it being part of the trail posted by @mrshomersimpson
Where exactly does it say that this avenue is part of the trail? He has just posted some links but nothing concrete.
This indeed looks more like a banner than a trail marker.
I am a she. Please do not assume gender. Thanks.
My evidence is more than enough to have the trail marker reinstated.
It is not “generic” generic would suggest that everywhere has these markers and they do not.
I have emails to confirm this is part of a the said route from the LA which i have been trying to ask to send to staff for days. I’m not posting sensitive info on a thread.
Trail markers are eligible. So far I’ve seen more than one post resolved very quickly.
This POI was NOT passed by the community -
NIANTIC STAFF approved this on appeal so either niantic staff were wrong to approve it on appeal OR it was looked at and deemed to be eligible therefore passed.
It was removed after a malicious referral.
I have provided more than enough evidence to prove the claims it is a trail marker and i have emails. Which is more than 99 percent of all trail markers have. It is not “generic” just because it was promoted by police Scotland.
It is an actively used route.
So are people, especially @NianticAaron saying that niantic staff were wrong when they passed this POI less than 2 weeks ago?
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It absolutely is a trail marker.
This is not “generic” signage. Just because it was part of a campaign does not mean the signs are generic. The 2 parts at the top right denote it is part of a trail.
Also just because police Scotland said this was a good idea and they helped promote safe cycling doesn’t mean that is what the banner is for. The police worked in conjunction with the local authority to approve the routes these should go. Then it was appeoved by cycly Scotland and then made official by the local authority.
The reason there are no updated maps is covid hit and then budget cuts so the council decided that as this route is protected (meaning these banners can never be removed) they would save money from making updates to maps etc for the moment ( if you want the real reason the lady who updates these things told me at the la that 90 percent of her team was fired)
So it Is not generic and again it was passed by niantic staff not the community.
It’s bizzare to me that people would say niantic staff who passed this on appeal were wrong.
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I’m sorry your markers have not been looked at either.
I honestly can’t get my head round this being removed after it was literally passed by niantic staff less than 2 weeks ago.
There has not even been a reason for why it was reported and removed. It is not on private property, it is not a sensitive location and it has plenty of safe access.
Generic signs for trees are accepted wirh less evidence than this trail marker! It’s bizzare to me
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It’s practically an admission that Niantic staff has no idea what they’re doing if staff members are removing wayspots that were approved by other staff members. Either the staff members doing the reviewing have no clue, or the staff members undoing the other staff members’ work have no clue.
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My apologies. Did not mean to offend you.
I also have many eligible nominations that don’t meet any removal criteria that Niantic have approved through appealing, yet they delete the wayspots for no reason, they are still there at the physical location.
@NianticAaron insee youre back on again 
can you please look at the further evidence provided and also dm @mrshomersimpson so she can give emails corroborating the trail marker, thanks
Thank you everyone for the lively discussion.
We discussed this case internally at length. Based on all the evidence provided and the information available publicly, we could not ascertain that the said trail passes through this location. As a result, we are going to standby our decision to retire the Wayspot in question.
Having said that, I would encourage you to resubmit when the Trail Map is updated and include it in the supporting information.
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Funny. I’ve been resubmitting plenty of stuff WITH a thorough trail map, and once it gets accepted (by your own AI or employees, I might add) you just go and remove it all again.
I have also submitted trail markers with maps showing they correspond to trails and AI accepts, community accepts, but Niantic rejected it.
There are clearly some internal communication issues that need to be addressed.
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Dunno if its worth askign again @NianticAaron, but this stop got accepted again on appeal (again, so thats 2 different appeal checkers agree) and has not been removed again. This is the rmail @mrshomersimpson got that bssiclaly confirms that the banner is part of the trail and fhat its a historic banner
Names have been removed for privacy sake
This is becoming clesr that it is maliciouslg being removed as it does not meet any removal criteria