Each pokestop have chance 1/5
Unless I have been really lucky, or that is a very new implementation, I don’t think that is the case. All the gyms I haven seen created this year (that were at least the second gym) have always been the pokestop with most combination of photos+thumbs up.
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I think you just got lucky, as it’s supposed to be random, not based on photo upvotes. Photo upvotes only choose what photo is the main one for that stop/gym.
Well, if any of the lurkers want to keep track of their luck when observing pokestops turning into gyms:
In my lucky experience, most interactions in a pokestop becomes a gym. An interaction is a photo or a thumbs up.
pokestop A: 1 photo + 2 thumbs up = 3 interactions
pokestop B: 2 photos + 1 thumbs up each = 4 interactions.
With my lucky guess, pokestop B would turn into the gym.
As they say: I am lucky, since this has happened 100% of the time I observe. Your experience may vary.
I can confirm your observations. In my short period of time that I have used wayfarer, 6 months now, I have created 7 new gyms in my area and we were all very excited which wayspot would become the new gym. After seeing this coversation I checked the wayspots that became the gym in comparison to all the other wayspots and the now new gym had the most interactions with likes, photo’s ETC. This happened by all the 7 gyms I have created, sometimes I was little disappointed with the location but it’s fine, every wayspot deserves equally to be a gym.
I don’t think that digging deeper in how a possible rule behind the scene may work is from high value.
If you really think you have found it out than using it to manipulate the game board is abuse and leads to sanctions.
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It’s the opposite actually
The use of an S2 map
Knowing about S17,S14 cells
Knowing the POI rules of those cells (how many pokestops/gyms per cell)
Knowing the pokestop threshold when a gym will be created
None of this information is publicly stated by Niantic, it was found out by observing and digging deeper. This unofficial information is used and even referenced by Regulars and Ambassadors here.
This is no different, it is high value and enriches the experience for all users.
And just to clear up any misunderstanding, I have not encouraged any misuse or abuse, I have just stated my observations.
Indeed, the threshold to gyms hasn’t been stated by Niantic (at least not that I know of), but the team did officially post that manipulating which wayspot becomes a gym is abuse (@cyndiepooh linked the statement from Niantic earlier in this topic), so it is different to all the other information you shared, because it is officially stated by the team. Please keep this seperate.
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Am I the only person who is troubled by this:
The Company contrived to make its games and Wayfarer generally, to be like an activity table or busy board for adults. They deliberately gave users the ability to set/change things and fed results of some of these things back into their games.
Players learn that they can benefit from knowledge of these features, and The Company then calls players out for ‘abuse’.
What was the genuine utility of tying user photo Likes to gym promotion, if not to permit the knowledgeable to make use of the feature?
It feels as though The Company plugged their busy board into the power mains, and then said players were never meant to touch the electrified switch. The Company should have isolated the switch, or used a safe power source, or created a design that separated us from sensitive features.
They put the causal chain directly into our hands and then put on their shocked pikachu face and sanctioned us for using it.
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I agree. Obviously the “Photo Votes” promotes Gym could be gamed and I beleive changing it to random was probably a good idea but once it is general knowledge even if not official from Niantic then using this knowledge should not be classed as abuse.
In regards to S2 Cells this knowledge is not official but can easily gamed.
Example:
- L14 cell only has 1 stop which is “Showcase”.
- You find 2 good nominations.
- You leave the 1 that is not the prefered Gym on Hold.
- The prefered is accepted and becomes a Gym.
- Take the other off Hold.
If worried about abuse then you could always wait on nominating the last one until after the prefered is accepted.
The info regards S2 cells is commonly discussed in these forums and the above example shows it could be gamed…
(in case staff want to look, the 2 nominations accepted over the last couple of days where both placed on Hold, updated info then released around the same time. Neither of them where “prefered” so didn’t care which became a Gym).
I don’t know what they call abuse, if the gyms could be placed in a safe area where we could gather better as a community, I don’t know what the problem would be, the real problem would be 3 gyms in all the quadrants 500 meters apart, not to mention that they are in less safe areas, I remind you that not all of us live in first world countries, in many places walking around with a cell phone in hand is dangerous.
@DillionHarper, @eneeoh and @RGTGO because you all responded to me I’ll want to give you my pov.
Knowledge about cells may influence what you’re nominating to max out the showable wayspots.
Knowledge about how you can controll which wayspot become a gym give you the advance to receive more items, badges, coins.
While the knowledge about cells has maybe negative impact for other scopley games and their “inclusion rules”, the knowledge about how to create a gym could have negative impact on other players.
I’ve found the following in the player guidlines (Chap. 4):
- Manipulating matchmaking, outcomes, rankings, or any other element of competitive gameplay systems.
I don’t want anyone to risk a suspension.
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You are downplaying the value of the knowledge of cells.
2 players: Y knows cells, X doesn’t
Y nominates wayspots in 4 different cells, he gets 4 pokestops
X nominates 4 wayspots in the same cell,
he gets 1 pokestop
Y gets 4x more items than X
Cell knowledge gives clear advantage.
How would you equalize this? By telling X about cells.
Your argument that knowing how to create gyms is detrimental because it can make gyms less accessible to others since they can be placed in a more convenient location for some.
Do you know what else causes this exact same problem? Random gyms.
With random gym creation, you could have a gym spawn near someone’s house or deep in a trail (not reasonable or feasible to get a large group to gather) as opposed to a local park or a coffee shop (places made for people to gather).
Hilariously enough, one solution to having more access to gyms is to know how they are created. So they can be placed in easier accessible locations.
As I stated above, knowing how Stops / Gyms are created could still give an advantage but only in certain circumstances.
I still believe Randon is preferable as it’s true that someone may get an advantage by having a closer Gym but he has little say in whether he gets one or not.
I could easily state that it’s not fair that their is nothing outside my house that I can nominate but many players do have waypoints they can reach from home.
I don’t live close to the park that is used on event days so it isn’t fair that some people live just across the road.
So I don’t think there is a problem in working out how Gyms are decided as I beleive the chance to game it is so small but prefer the Random just to make it less likely.
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This quote seems to refer to match-ups in Go Battle League or its equivalent.
If trying to add stops, gyms, powerspots, routes, etc. to the game were wrong, why would The Company keep inviting us to do it?
Ignorance of the game’s placement rules leads most players toward disaffection. Knowledge gives us something to strive for.
I find it difficult to grasp why they don’t simply promote the stop with the highest spin-count.
This is pokemon go question, not wayfarer.i doubt people here have the power to change that rule. I dont know exactly what make pokemon go make this decision. But in the past, some people have been abusing like to make home gym.
Thats why random is better everyone have the same chance. Just because you dont think the gym is in better location, doesnt mean other think the same.