Hiking Trails in Germany - do we have bots rejecting Pokestops?

I have this wayspot got rejected by the community with simply false reasons. Here you can see the nomination:

Wayspot Submission for Eckentaler Rundweg 2 am Mast

Eckental BY

Not Accepted

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2025-05-25 - Rejected

Reviewers provided these top reasons for not accepting this submission: (info)
  • The location of the submission does not match the photos, and/ or map
  • The description contains a URL or HTML markup

Description

Der Eckentaler Rundweg mit der Nummer 2 ist auch unter dem Namen Rund um Brand bekannt. Er hat eine Länge von 7,5 km bei einer Dauer von 2 Stunden.

Location

Donaustraße 18, 90542 Eckental, Deutschland

Supplemental Information

Eckentaler Rundweg 2 - Rund um Brand http://www.sockenqualmer.de/FreizeitGrp/Themen/Orte,Gebiete/Ecknt/rundwanderwege_im_markt_eckental_1-8_beschreibungen.pdf

You can cleary see that this location is exact at Google Maps here

I got more strange rejections by the German community. I think there are bots rejecting Pokestops or people just reject things for getting an upgrade. Did i see this wrong?

Hi @PinkGigaRaichu
Das ist tatsächlich sehr merkwürdig. Beide Begründungen erscheinen wie typische Anfängerirrtümer. Auf dem maps screenshot ist der Pin leicht daneben, aber es wäre logisch, dass man sich den nächstgelegenen Pfosten genauer ansieht. Und die URL Begründung wird meist von denjenigen ausgewählt, die nicht wissen dass das im support Text erlaubt/gewünscht ist. Aber es fehlt mir der Glaube, dass das so viele gewählt haben, dass das die top Begründung ist.
Kannst du bitte nochmal deine Nominierung in Original screenshots posten?

So?

Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with the description (the link is in the supporting info, which is allowed), and while the pin is just a bit off, it’s not off by much from what I can see on Street View.

If you do think there may be people using bots for reviewing, you will want to report this as abuse, so staff can take a look into it. Using bots goes against the ToS, and you can send a report at the following link:

Can’t say if staff will take another look at this nomination if a bot did review it, so keep that in mind, as you may have to either resubmit or appeal.

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I know trail markers are a very frustrating experience in some regions especially if they are not marked with shiny, flashy signs like in this case, but jumping from what seems crazy rejections to bot abuse is an entirely wrong conclusion. There are multiple factors that contribute to these results all the time without any malicious intent even if some reviewers certainly have one and get away with it:

-The marker is a sticker. In the past, definitions from Niantic staff and clarifications that no longer are valid said, stickers and painted markers were not allowed at all

-The overall allowed types of potentially eligible markers changed even more over time, in the past, even factors like quantity in areas (almost any marker vs only trail heads and crossings) and locations (marker on street = no, markers in the woods=yes [“Giffard Scale”]) were used.

-Unfortunately, there is no easily findable source that explicitly says that URLs in the supporting infromation are actually allowed. If you take for example Niantic Wayfarer , it requires reading comprehension to understand that URLs are only disallowed from the Title and the Description field, since the Supporting information field is not mentioned there.
You did the correct thing to include it as otherwise something very simple as a sticker representing a trail is impossible to confirm as legit for reviewers!

-Street View is not an obligatory tool to use for reviewers. Also, an object this small can easily be missed even if users look at that street view.
Your strongest point should therefore always be your supporting photo. From the screenshot you provided, there is a street sign that helps, but from this picture quality, it is not readable. If it also isn’t readable in full resolution then this is something you can improve on.

Finally, enough reviewers, especially non English speaking ones that you can find in noticeable numbers in Germany, Czechia and other neighbouring countries who can get your nominations fro review, all the clarifications and updates don’t really reach the users since they’re not (forum) or poorly translated (it took an enternity until Niantic changed incorrect trasnlations for In Queue and In Voting in Italian and French), and they also won’t even use online translators. It can sometimes help already to include an English or even Czech translation summary of your nomination in the supporting information, if you still have some space left.

With these things in mind, you need to prepare your nominations so that they are done good enough for appeal reviewers, the harsh truth is that, while the situation for trails as nominations is much better than a few years ago, a lot can still not be accepted in community review despite being perfectly fine. As long as now Scoeply doesn’t make sure to get more people to actually read criteria, this will be an uphill battle.

Wouldn’t it be great if they would just push the forum clarifications as an email to any user who logged into Wayfarer for the past 3 months for example?

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Thank you for replying to my thread since it took a long time to write this much. Trail sticker are always an issue and it is very frustrating to get them through but this is not the point here. The rejection criteria are just false from my point of view. So at least bot abuse is not an entirely wrong conclusion.

There is also a clarification thread in which you can read that supporting sites are wanted even from niantic. I will cite: “It can be difficult to prove the actual location of these markers, such as those under tree cover or not visible on street view. Submitters should make good use of the supporting text and photos when nominating and include when possible links to official sites in support of the nomination. Reviewers should also use clues such as trail and park maps to help.”

Ambassador pinky promise, this is not botting at all, people are just this clueless and enough in numbers to create these situations without any abuse whatsoever.

The forum article is exactly what I meant, it’s not easily enough accessible, enough reviewers are out there that never saw it existing

The second thing I could imagine is just people rejecting wayspots for getting an upgrade faster. But is it possible that someone from niantic can look at this spots without using an appeal since the reasons for rejecting here are clearly wrong?

No, the only things you can do is submit the case ti the abuse form and resubmit your nominations

I used the way you both suggested so I am curious what will happen now

You will get an answer with their findings (which is probably nothing), that’s it

I really Hope that the AI gets training to handle trail markers, as a lot of them go into Niantic voting recently.

The community is wildly inconsistent on this issue. Many don’t know how to handle them, and a good portion of reviewers just won’t accept them to be eligible whatsoever.

Anyways, a cool thing I think eMiLy could do is to link fitting sources of official info or selected interesting forum threads to each nomination it gets, so people can inform themselves while reviewing.

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Well we had a better situation last year when some hiking trails got accepted by emily. Sadly they only use it now for auto-rejecting. I agree 100% with you that the community as a whole is not capable of reviewing hiking trails.