Need some advice on titles

Hey folks! :grin:

I was reviewing submissions today and I came across one with a suuuuuper long title, but the POI itself was a perfect addition in my opinion. I opted to skip this one and let another user make the decision, but I wanted to ask what the general best course of action for submissions like these would be so I can make the right call in the future.

If there was an option to suggest a better title, I would have done that, but I didn’t see that option anywhere and I didn’t feel right just denying the POI because the person submitting it made the title a description rather than the place name. Maybe I’m just being too nice :sweat_smile:

I’m really new to this, so any advice would be really helpful! :smiling_face:
Thanks!

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People will tell you I do super long titles for my nominations and…they’re absolutely right.

Personally I don’t see an issue with it so long as it’s a valid title.

Something like ā€œKing George VI Postbox (Saint Michael’s Road)ā€ is a decent length but summarises the POI well. Whereas a title like ā€œKing George VI Red Pillar Box on corner of Saint Michael’s Road, next to Bob’s Chip Shop and Margaret’s Cheese & Wine Storeā€ has a little too much in it for me.

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I don’t want to embarass the user if they read this, but the title I’m talking about was something like this:
ā€œlocally owned business that serves the college sports community!!ā€

Your titles are at least actual titles, this one was just a description. The photo included a sign showing the business name, so they really should have just titled it that in my opinion :sweat_smile:

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Yeah that one I agree could have a way better title that actually tells you what it is.

As an actual example, here’s one I submitted that is a (or at least was) a Gym in PokĆ©mon GO (and of course a Portal in Ingress). Some of my fellow Ambassadors and Wayfarers may think the title needs changing (they’re incorrect though :squinting_face_with_tongue:). :open_mouth:

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Yeeee that’s a long one, but not inaccurate in the slightest! :laughing: I actually like the long titles, reminds me of those animes that have ridiculously long names LOL

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I would reject that for the title, as it’s worthless. It’s a description, not a title.

It’s not actually that long, even ignoring that ludicrously long one from @PkmnTrainerJ. Plenty of my submissions have more words than that, especially for trail markers.

Longer titles have more chance of being accurate and unique. A lot of submitters forget about the requirement for (relative) uniqueness, which is referenced in the submission process.

Short ones like ā€˜footpath marker’, yeuch.

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Good to know, thanks for the feedback! :grin:

I suspect I am more strict than a lot of reviewers, but my wayfinder rating is stuck on ā€˜great’, so I’m not about to become any less strict just to get acceptances.

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I know this one is probably a mistake, but I am surprised that it got through..

TBH, if it’s ridiculously long and should probably be the description then I’d lean towards reject. It’s not always easy to get the title changed at a later date.

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Yeah, that title should have been the description.

Wish there was a way to suggest title changes in the review process the same way we’re able to suggest better categories.

Ahhhh…

Categories are meaningless to all gameplay mechanics. They only have meaning to Niantic, if they still do, as they add value to the wayspot database for the purposes of selling data to third parties.

There is /nothing/ you can suggest to be changed about a submission - only accept or reject.

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I think maybe I need to be a bit more strict. I probably hit ā€œskipā€ when I should just reject something too often. Since I’m new I guess I’m just afraid of being too mean, and I always feel bad for the people who get their submissions rejected, but some of them are just… bad. :sweat_smile:

I think I’m probably just seeing a bunch of junk submissions right now because eMiLy is taking a nap.

I don’t. :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

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There are some where I don’t, like some people just KNOW what they are submitting does not qualify at all. But there are others where I can tell someone was genuinely putting effort into it, but the photo orientation was wrong or the image was blurry, etc. I feel kind of bad for those people, but I hold waystop quality to the highest standard so they get rejected.

The level of junk in the queue without eMiLy is just absurd. I don’t remember it being this bad before we had eMiLy, but it certainly shows how much eMiLy helps us.

I’m rejecting maybe 95% of what comes infront of me. Not ā€œPermanent and Distinctā€ is being used a lot, since this is recommended rejection reason when you need to reject but can’t reject for Appropriate, Safe or Accuracy.

Remember - if you want to reject, you must thumbs down for one of Appropriate, Safe, Accuracy or Permanent and Distinct. Saying it doesn’t meet Social, Exercise or Exploration does not count as a rejection.

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Reject for photo. Don’t skip those, because when it is an obvious reject, skipping means someone else has to reject it instead of you. Save skips for when you can’t decide, not for when you can’t bring yourself to reject a sloppy submission.

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I never skip a bad photo, those always get rejected. I only skip ones I am very uncertain about.

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eMiLY went down right as I joined Wayfarer. Maybe she doesn’t like me? :joy:

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Sometimes it is hard to know where to look for which information. Here is what the help page has to say about titles:

Help > Title Guidelines

It is important to use the most accurate title to reflect the name of the object you are nominating. Submit titles that are official titles when known. In cases where there is no official title, be as descriptive as you can.

Do submit:

  • A unique title for each Wayspot
  • Additional identifiers for similar Wayspots as needed
  • If there is no ā€˜official’ title, use creative titles to distinguish it from other nearby Wayspots

Don’t submit titles that:

  • Include real names, initials, codenames, or faction/team names
  • Include emojis, emoticons, or irrelevant game references
  • Include HTML, URLs, or other code language
  • Are unrelated to the Wayspot in question

Imo, that title you asked about veers into the irrelevant category.

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This is where edits can come in.

The title should be short and set up what it is.
The description then says what it is

I don’t score low just on a poor title.
Edits can sort out a poor one @PkmnTrainerJ knows that if I get close enough I would be tempted to edit that one :joy:
Usually if the title is poor, so is the description.

Don’t forget the I don’t know option when assessing.
And finally the nomination does not need to be perfect, it needs to be good enough. Not looking for reasons to vote down but is there enough about the object, photo, text to get it accepted photos and text can be changed

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