Opinion on missplaced POI

Wayspot Appeals
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Hi all,

On 8th July I was on a work assignment in a village in my country and nominated 6 POIs in the area. 1 got rejected because I did not provide enough evidence of why it is worthy ( local told me that it has been there for more than 60 years, but I did not find any official date), another one of them is of particlar interest, as it later caused my suspension for 30 days and 4 got approved after my suspension.

I am coming to this community hoping to get a clear view and maybe somehow lift my suspension.

The nomination is question is a cultural center in a village in Romania, a gathering place for all local festivities, ceremonies and some artistic performance:

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The nomination got rejected on the 15th July for the following reasons ( as far as I remember as I cannot access wayfarer anymore due to suspension):

  • Wrong name ( Indeed, I had a typo Caminil instead of Caminul)
  • Abuse and missplacement , which indeed was also a small mistake on my side as I was talking to some coworkers and did not pay much attention to the exact pin and just focused on the roof of the building closest to were I was standing trying to hide from the sun outside. The “wrong” location is approximatly 10 meters from the correct building, the garden nearby belonging also to my intended nomination
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I submitted an appeal on the 15th but got rejected again on the 16th, only to be informed on the 23rd that my account was suspended for 30 days due to the missplacement:

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After countless discussions via email, none of the support team members( if they are even human) seemed to at least analyze my request , sticking to the policy violation.

My first warning came last year as far as I remember, after a POI ( a graffiti) I nominated went into voting several month after the nomination and in the meantime the wall was also painted and google maps updated their street view, so it was no longer there, but could have been seen in maps history so that I should not have been acussed of abuse, only maybe of not relevant POI.

As said before, after my suspension, 4 other POIs got approved, just to consolidate on my long list of approved POIs in the past and good rank in wayfarer.

Any ideas on how to fix this, get the POI in the game ( I left the location and don’t plan and going back soon) and maybe get my acess back earlier than the full 30 ( now 23) days?

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All you can really do about the suspension is appeal it through the link provided in the email that was sent and describe the issue. In the future, do not rush when nominating or lose attention. If you don’t have the time to nominate, take a note of the POI and go back later when you do have the time to put in the nomination as accurate as possible. Staff may send you a DM with more info, but that’s not guaranteed since you’ve already appealed.

As for as the Wayspot showing up in any game, being it’s been rejected by both the community and the appeals team, and rightfully so for inaccurate location, the only way to get a Wayspot is to submit it again, unfortunately. Keep in mind that not all Wayspots appear in all of the games; we are creating a database map for all of the games to use to create game play locations, but each game have their own includion rules. PoGo uses S2 cells, with 1 Wayspot allowed per L17 S2 cell. More info can be found here: https://pokemongohub.net/post/featured/comprehensive-guide-s2-cells-pokemon-go/

So, yes, unfortunately, the only way to get this rejected Wayspot approved is to resubmit it, as once it has been rejected by the appeals team, it cannot be appealed again.

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If you do decide to re-submit once your suspension has been lifted then remember the pin is meant to be placed at the “natural point of entry”, in this case the main entrance door. This is approx 25 metres from your placement. As the in game limit on location edits is 10 metres you can understand that this is not a “small mistake”. It is actually 2 cells away which makes your case look worse.

In regards to your 1st warning which really should have made you be more careful for future nominations, graffiti is usually classed as ineligible but you should have been able to appeal any warning if the graffiti was there any length of time if would have been on earlier versions of street view.

You can only await a response from staff but I wouldn’t hold much hope. Suggest you sit out the suspension then heed the warnings, be careful when nominating and after 12 months your account will be clean.

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I did not bother to appeal the first warning with the graffiti as I tought everything will be ok. I also did not think they will change the rejection reason tbh.

Regarding the entry point, would you consider the entry in the garden or the actual building? Both seem valid to me, given that the nomination can also be seen as a whole, with the garden also being used for events when the weather allows it.

Regarding the cells, I checked after I got suspended, it’s in the next cell, not 2 cells away

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I stand corrected on the cells, I was viewing the wrong cells on the Intel Map but you are still in the wrong cell which could be seen as gaming the system.

In regards the Entry point I would go with the main entrance to the building as this is what you are nominating but I would accept the gate at the front in to the yard but this does not change the inaccuracy of your placement, both about the same distance away.

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The lat/long you placed this at is 44.743833, 27.857996, which is about 27m away from the actual cultural center, which is at 44.74407393347976, 27.858028491929687. That’s quite a long distance; a few meters off typically isn’t seen as an issue, but 27m could be seen as trying to manipulate the map. Here’s how that looks like on Google Maps:

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Another issue is that the lat/long you placed the pin at seems to be single family private residential property, or SFPFP, and SFPRP are ineligible locations.

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It seems you are trying to put wayspot into empty cell which is subject to abuse ladder system

I personally receive 30days suspension as well. I appealed and got rejected. I served 30days suspension and returned here.

The only thing you can do is appeal. Try your best explaining . But if you missplaced wayspot submission knowingly put it in empty cell to manipulate the gamr, its gonna be hard to overturn the decision. Moving forward, play safe and always double check your submission. Missplacement of wayspot submission is subject to abuse ladder system regardless of any distance, especially of it involved moving into empty cell

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I am considering the distance to the actual building when saying 10 meters, not the exact pin with the location/entrace. Often I see pins accepted in a corner of a building. Most likely If my nomination was at the corner of the cultural center it would at lest not have been flagged as location manipulation.

I know, thing are not 100% clear and I am obviously seeing the side that gives me an advantage.

I am kind of sad because I don’t live there and probably I won’t return in the next years, so no benefit for me in the scenario that I got banned for; just wanted to give the community more chances to play there. At least now they have several pokestops and maybe even 1-2 gyms.

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You are free to report any spoofer that you find. Staff will ask for evidence instead of speculation though.

I am not saying there are no spoofer out there. Its a game of cat and mouse between pogo staff and cheater. Cheater can have fun for a while but eventually they might get caught.

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Never ask a spoofer for help. Spoofing is considered abuse and is against the ToS. You being associated with a spoofer could lead to an even worse ban, so it’s not worth the risk.

Yes, some buildings have their Wayspots t the corners or in the middle. However, the best place to place a pin is where most people are going to be able to access the Wayspot, and the entrance to a building is usually the best place. Whenever I submit a building, I always make sure to place the pin at the entrance, as it’s the most accessible area.

Also keep in mind that halfway from your pin is about 13.5m, which is stil quite a good distance to be off by. Location edits that 10m or more have to be requested via Wayfarer help chat. If this had been approved, another player may have not known that they would have to request the edit via help chat and would keep trying to request an edit in-game, but it keeps getting rejected, and then that could lead to them possibly getting a warning/ban.

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This is not accurate. I have shared more details in a DM. Please review that.

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