Title: One Day
Description: A road sign that parodies the typical “One Way” sign. This single change in letter changes the meaning to one that reflects how every day goes a different way. Artwork by Richard Tipping.
Supplemental information: This sign is positioned in an open pedestrian area and is highly noticeable with how uniquely different the sign is.
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Am I insane? This is clearly not a “typical road sign” because what road has a sign that says “One Day” and points in two directions, is positioned in a pedestrian area and would be a road sign for cars, and has a didactic at the bottom of the post as shown in the supplementary image? I even listed the artist credited.
I cannot resubmit this nomination as this is hours away from my location by car, and I do not have a driver’s license. Can I get an actual human to look at this?
Hello! i can understand your frustration. Maybe you can share your supporting information here to let us see how you explained it. Also, I can understand how the Appeal reviewer got confused but I can see in the supporting photo the plaque.
“This sign is positioned in an open pedestrian area and is highly noticeable with how uniquely different the sign is.”
In hindsight, the supplied additional info isn’t quite as descriptive. I did further elaborate the parody nature of the sign in my appeal, but that seems to have fallen of deaf ears, if even any ears were involved and not the machine.
It looks like there is a plaque at the bottom with details.
It might be an idea to take a close up of that for the supplementary, if the information in the main photo can enable confirmation of the location. Use the supplementary to explain that.
You can use a collage to show both the current supplementary and the inscription. Maybe even circle the inscription on the supplementary.
Essentially you need to demonstrate that it is what you say it is - state what seems obvious to you as it might not be obvious to the reviewer.
I could have taken aa picture of the plaque, but the submission process only asked to show that the general area is ideal for group gatherings. Since the installation is so high up from the ground and the supplementary needed to show the area was good for access, I can only get an image of the plaque but not the details on it. If I could submit multiple images for evidence, that would have been more ideal. Also, wouldn’t the submission also be rejected if the supplementary information was edited?
In any case, can’t do that now. The location is far away from me and I lack the transportation. Only way I can readily get such information is through third-party.
I sympathize with the frustration. I am also not sure I would have understood it references a traffic sign as I don’t know what they look like in Brisbane. It may also not be the case of appeal reviewers.
In my view what would help with nominating or appealing conspicuous artworks like this one, though, is a link to independent proof confirming what you are saying. Presumably you found that it was by Richard Tipping in some source, so why not include that in your supporting information and appeal statement? That would also help prove it’s not eg. a guerilla artwork, which can be awesome, but also would risk getting removed for confusing drivers due to its resemblance with a regular street sign.
If I could edit the supplementary, I would, but unfortunately it seems the submission itself cannot be edited. The only way I could possibly rectify it is to appeal, except I have already done this in the screenshot above, so it’s effectively done for. As for the information I sourced, it’s from the plaque - as I had mentioned in my review appeal that I can’t seem to actually find, seems like only whoever gets to see appeals are the only ones who retain this information.
Infuriatingly, it seems like I’m the only person on the internet to have ever taken a picture of the installation itself except maybe one tiktok that displays the sign itself. Richard Tipping himself, though, appears to be quite prolific with even more signs than I thought. There’s nothing online about this specific sign, nor a link (that isn’t paywalled or locked behind social media) that talks about it, only signs in that same pedestrian area.
So I guess the reviewers will just have to accept that a One Day sign isn’t a real sign. Guess I really have to brush up on my driving lessons if there’s actually signs like this on the road.
I guess it’s worth specifying these are all suggestions for a future resub, not for your current nomination which indeed gets frozen once it starts getting voted on.
Again I understand the frustration and appreciate the sarcasm and agree that it’d be great if everyone looked the artworks and artists we submit up themselves. I really like what this artist does and have seen artists doing similar things locally, and completely agree it’s eligible if permanent. So it’s not about your nomination not being good or about me being stupid and thinking it’s a road sign, it’s about how to make it bulletproof, and for this sometimes you have to do a bit of handholding. Of the community, of the ML system, of the Niantic reviewers.
You would be surprised how frequently “official artwork by artist XYZ” turns out not to be real, so a little extra evidence for which the onus is on the submitter doesn’t hurt.
Regarding extra pictures, in the absence of a second supporting photo, as @elijustrying mentioned above one can make use of links, and one of these links could be to your other photo of the plaque uploaded to some image hosting like imgur or other. Similarly you’re very welcome to include links to social media posts, I have done this many times in order to show I am crediting correctly or that it was just recently made and this is the only evidence.
I think some tiktoks can be viewed without an account?
If you are worried about access to the social media network in the absence of an account and if it’s static, you could take a screenshot and similarly link to it.
This is not to tell you to do all this, you are ultimately the one who decides what to put in your nominations, it’s just suggestions on what could help when it doesn’t work first try.
Is it impractical extra work? Yes. Is it something that can get an appeal overturned down the line? Also yes.
Was going to link a tiktok, and also noticed an instagram (thought they couldn’t be accessed without an account). Both were from the city council, so I do suppose, perhaps they could have been sufficient evidence. They might have also listed the same artist? Just wasn’t sure if it was sufficient evidence since it’s just a social media post and not first-hand evidence.
I just got an email a few minutes ago, and looks like the rejection got overturned? I’ll see if I can keep in mind the additional evidence tip anyway, in case I find any new art installations not documented online yet.
Yes lots of great advice here for the future hopefully more wayspots first time as evidence is critical.
Maybe dig around about this artist and find the works of art and submit - a mini project.
Maybe next time I’m in town again, I’ll find every one of those signs. I’ve seen quite a few, like one that merges No Smoking, No Dogs, No Alcohol, and No Skateboarding into one that makes it No Smoking Dogs with Alcohol on Skateboards, and another Prepare To Stop sign that says Prepare To Shop.
Same with another art installation that puts tiny doors on random walls. Those ones I remember were a tribute to an art installation in the gallery of a tiny door that opens to a tiny mouse couple.
The good thing about finding these on line is you already have the back up proof you need for when you make the submission.
You have time to research the artist and the particular object. That way you can have notes on your phone already to submit.
Once submitted put on hold and double check what you have written in the text and supplementary gives a nice clear understanding to the reviewer who will likely be very unaware. Make it easy for them to approve
Clearly a good result that your nomination has been eventually accepted. However, I am unclear on the process. As I understand it you
submitted a nomination > not accepted by the community
submitted an appeal against the community rejection > not accepted by Niantic
What is the process from there to getting this nomination accepted, assuming you didn’t resubmit it?
EDIT: I misread the screenshot as “Niantic Nate” rather than “Nantic Note”. I was starting to wonder “Who is this Nate who keeps rejecting all appeals?!”
Post here, and see if staff takes another look. They have said they want us to let them know when the appeals team gets it wrong. Even if they don’t post on everything, they do pay attention. Will edit in that link about asking for the feedback when I find it again. (Notice there was no need to tag particular staff members.)
There is no official pathway to appeal an appeal, but if the appeal rejection statement is clearly incorrect, not just a difference of opinion, the appeal rejection may be overturned, with the submitter seeing a new email accepting the appeal.
(I thought I should write all that out because my previous answer doesn’t read correctly out of context with the statement I was replying to, but didn’t want to edit it.)
that’s good.