Submit eligible spots.
I vote no to compulsory extra step. Let’s get people dipping their toe in first. Those still interested after coming here can progress at their own pace.
We have had cases mentioned where Emily has worked the submission before the submitter has even managed to get the submission on hold for editing. And I did see one recently that was in voting that the submitter obviously intended to edit as all the text fields were basically “TBC”.
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@shritwod That’s me ;-). Its why I hit submit later. And open wayfarer, then upload and refresh as soon as so I can try grab and put on hold ASAP.
And while I have been caught by the system I too have had too many nominations that are rushed or incomplete.
I was looking at ways to improve system for better quality - I just think people have no idea they can manage it later. . But also ways for me to have less steps.
Whether it is an option to go on hold or an auto hold. I don’t mind. What ever is chosen it will need education too. As you really cannot manage effective change without some form of change management. And very little change has an agreed 100% by the masses.
Keep the thoughts coming. Good convo
@TheDoctorBird FYI, I wouldn’t consider this to be a solution to this question, just a reply adding to the discussion.
My point in this reply is that most don’t come here after 48 hours of submitting their first nomination asking why it hasn’t been decided upon by the community. Now, if it was an ML decision, that could be within 48 hours, and usually there’s something with the nomination that the new user doesn’t see that ML and the community does see as issues.
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What if there was a badge?
Say in Go — a badge recognising the number of successful nominations. This would maybe encourage more players to nominate stops. To get their nominations accepted they would land here for information, tips, advice etc.
So a badge for accepted submissions as well as the current wayfarer badge for agreements. One to encourage good submissions and one to encourage good reviews.
Would it though… ?
We are in this forum for our own reasons. The question should be why do most people submit…? And most will give the “right” answer if asked directly but privately…
Most people do not submit because they want quality. Most people don’t care about quality. It is human nature
I post because I can
I don’t make an effort on posting as the game does not ask me to make an effort. Write something. Click something. etc
I post what I already see in game
I post what I want so it is easier to play the game
I post what I want as I like to challenge the system
I post what I want as I like to be the mostest
I review because I get a badge/ an upgrade
YES this is a generalisation
But we here, in this forum, are a minority. Most users will never come here. Will never read the criteria, in games they blast over the criteria (yeah yeah click click just let me submit). There are numerous external forums where people work together to game the system. How to get past you me, how to better the AI.
The minute you open a system up to external users with a multitude of reasons to do things - with a fuzzy set of criteria. In a system where cultural or social norms differ from region to region…Who become personally invested in the game/system for whatever reason. And who often take it personally. Things will become harder.
It is too easy to nominate. Make zero effort. And have a system go yes acceptable. Because right now with little effort it is easy to game it let alone just submit
Now to balance that out is a challenge. I am all for more checks and balances. I am all for put in an additional step. Some people will howl no. Personally and in my own experience with things (my experience) actually proper steps managed appropriately that do not stop what the core activity do cause angst at the start - but within days most people accept that change. And often later advocate for it. But not change for changes sake.
I like the idea of recognition. But I am uncertain how it would improve quality. I want to think how to extend this idea to work…
Great post @Buddy12875 you got me thinking!!!
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