Voting up/down waypoints that share the same cell in Pokemon GO

In Pokemon GO only one waypoint in a certain cell can be a pokestop, while all the surrounding waypoints stay hidden. You can see those hidden waypoints in certain situations (for example in a small radius around you, while submitting a new nomination) but otherwise there is no way to interact with them in the game.

In my opinion it would be a huge improvement to allow for adding/liking photos (or upvoting them in another way) of those hidden waypoints. This would allow the most proper thing in each cell to become be a pokestop. Unlike in the current system where we are stuck interacting with something unamusing when it could be something wonderful.

Another solution to this would be to have an option to simply downvote a pokestop. This would allow another existing waypoint to become a pokestop of that cell.

Good example of this is in my area is a 7 year old pokestop of an information sign. It’s boring, it’s a semi-duplicate (the thing that it refers to is a pokestop in a neighbouring cell) and I don’t like it but it was there first. Over the years in that cell appeared other cool waypoints that could provide nice postcards and better experience.

Am I missing something? Any thoughts? I’m sure in many places around the world people have some nice piece of art blocked by generic playgrounds or information signs.
Here it’s a remote rural area and we have only a few pokestops so I’m determined to find a solution. Perhaps a level 10 Ingress account could add/like a picture to a portal of an invisible “pokestop”, which would then overpower the existing one (either immediately or during a gym creation).

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In general I do not disagree with you. I do think that Niantic has picked some items for the game boards that are not that interesting.

From there things get complicated. Currently the Niantic games (Ingress, Pokémon Go, Pikmin Bloom, Peridot, and Monster Hunter Now) all us a single database - Lightship, to populate their game boards. Each game uses different inclusion rules ( proximity or density).

So while I agree that your game should have quality wayspots, that should be true for all the games. And unfortunately that is not a Wayfarer decision.

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I am in full support of Niantic shaking up all the game boards! But not sure how popular that opinion is.

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If everyone used it correctly, it could be a good feature, but if the constant Ingress Faction wars that we’ve seen on this and the previous wayfarer forums are anything to go by, I suspect it would get abused by players.

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I agree with you @hankwolfman based on the current setup. But I do have some (silly?, random) ideas how the community could judge ‘awesomeness’ of wayspots.

I do think Niantic is already considering nuance in eligibility with their new voting scheme. They are asking for how large a crowd is reasonable at a spot that pegs as Social.

That said I’m thinking on a Lightship scale. The individual games would need to do things to disambiguate if that wasn’t done.

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There are way too many Pokemon Go things tied to specific Pokestops for me to get on board with changing them with a thumb’s up. If the stops they are tied to get removed, routes are unusable, and when showcase stops are removed, they don’t get replaced. We already see upvoting battles over changing the disc photo, so I can only imagine what would happen with people changing around a couchie pokestop. When I tell my group there’s a Kecleon at “Big Bend Boardwalk” then people know where that is. If it is constantly changing, they won’t.

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I agree with you @cyndiepooh, we can’t go by thumbs up/down. That just gets us to heated debates on singular wayspots.

You are a trusted member of the community, so I want to ask what your recommendations are to asses the Lightship database for implementation in the various games?

I’m a bit of a rebel (but still wholeheartedly want to follow guidelines) so I’d like to analyze Lightship database and score each item. Then I’d like each game to come in with a clean slate and pick quality items based on their inclusion rules.

Cherry on top is if the games would coordinate and not use all the same spots.

Tell me if I’m overstepping!

Definitely not overstepping. It is frustrating to know there are so many great Wayspots that the games I play - Pokemon Go and Ingress - will never see. But I am not an ideas person.

That said, for Pokemon Go at least, I think there could be a lot of ways to use these other Wayspots that aren’t Pokethings. Maybe this new Dynamax thing I am hearing about could use them instead of existing Pokestops. Maybe non-PoGo Wayspots could be hidden surprises to find like hidden Pokeballs with items in the main games. Maybe non-PoGo Wayspots could be where trainer battles pop up instead of blocking Pokestops like they have done a couple of times. There has to be a lot of other ways these other Wayspots could be used without rotating of established Poke-architecture.

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I will need to look up Dynamax


These are cool ideas!

I feel like a lot of them translate to Pikmin Bloom mushroom battles or Monster Hunter Now encounters!

Maybe popups for Ingress? That would be fun.

Sadly I can’t think of something for Peridot
 it’s so cozy, I’m sure someone has an idea?

More thought still needs to be put in to the quality of the Lightship database choices. I advocate for items meeting eligibility going to the database. My concern is older items in said database


Both @cyndiepooh and @hankwolfman have said points I would make.

I’m sure we can all find S2 level 17 cells with multiple objects in the lightship database ( there is no proximity rule in adding to the database.) a lot of what you describe is down to personal bias as to what an individual thinks is wayspot worthy. There is no set answer. In many ways what we have is totally random. The percentage of S2L17 that have this perceived issue is tiny.

It would be great if the wayspots available for use in the database could all be used in a different way to the one way that the Pokémon Go team has opted for 

.but that is a game decision.
As wayfinders we can only put stuff in the database, how it is used is out of our hands.

I am also very much in favor of shakeups for games and of a dynamic gameboard à la Catan (didn’t make it into the game? it probably will in a few weeks) which would really minimize the game-related biases that Wayfarer constantly suffers and that we keep talking about on here (no more incentive to misplace that wayspot pin), but I hear people get VERY particular about their gym gold medals (routes, anchors, missions, showcases, uhhh monsters).

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As a field tester. We were told that the ingress portals that did not show up in pokemon go would be mysterious pokemon spawn area in pokemon go. I.e. more pokemon appearing.
Field tester is what niantic used instead of beta tester. We made sure that the money system worked and then it went away

until my app updated and then I saw 20 people walking around the Chinese gardens in Portland Oregon.
My coworkers knew I had the pokemon game. And then everyone went nuts.
We got no credit or even a badge.

Thank you! I have been looking for the source of the reports that ingress only portals could make spawns in pokemon go. No wonder I can’t find that if it was to the original field testers.

Every time I see a Powerspot that is an ingress only portal, it has a spawn at its base and I wonder if this is still true.

The Wayfarer community ambassadors will say that this is a matter related to PokĂ©mon GO. I agree that this is something that needs to be changed by fully communicating with the Wayfarer team. Niantic’s Ingress, Wayfarer, and PokĂ©mon GO have the same corporate company and operate on the same map, so no matter how different teams are, they need to communicate with each other.

And Wafarer’s official site needs to be changed to make it easier to see information related to Wasypot.
No official site will tell you how to use IITC or how to use S2L17 so that anyone can easily find it.

That is why I am informing Korean users of what they need to know when applying for Wayspot.

At the very least, I’m informing you about how to use IITC and how S2L17 and Wayspot are changed to gyms, etc.
It’s good for users to come forward and let them know, but I think Wayfarer team should share it so that anyone can easily see it on the official site.
It’s something that no one can easily find anywhere on Wayfarer’s official website.
That’s why you have to learn from your country’s internet search.

Similarly, IITC is based on Ingress, so PokemonGO’s sponsor Wayspot does not appear.

If you don’t learn these parts on your own, you’ll end up with overlapping Wayspots.

However, since the introduction of powerspots in Pokémon GO,
I filled 17 cells first and then changed my mind positively about the overlapping Wayspot.

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Niantic has less game options for their wayspot network that they kept along with their ingress. Game that has the original submission protocols built in. They didn’t work well, but it is property of Niantic. Still.

I believe Niantic is going into AI for their map products. An example would be the following regarding access to locations or property.


Based on the information available, gaining access to JBMI Jantzen Beach Marina Inc. involves a few key steps:
Residency:
If you intend to live in the floating home community, you’ll need to either purchase or rent a floating home within the marina.
JBMI has an application process that includes background and credit checks. All residents must be approved by the JBMI Board of Directors.
Marina Access:
Access to the marina itself, beyond simply visiting, would involve either being a resident or potentially renting or owning a boat slip.
Official Channels:
It’s crucial to contact JBMI directly for the most accurate and up-to-date information. You can do this by:
Visiting their official website: jbmi.net
Calling them at: 503-283-2151
Emailing them at: jbmiinc@comcast.net.
Important Considerations:
JBMI has rules and regulations that govern the community, so it’s essential to familiarize yourself with those.
Access to the gated community is controlled, and access cards are only given to approved residents.
By contacting JBMI directly, you can get the specific details you need for your situation.