#5. It would be extremely helpful if the person receiving a rejection could be pointed to the criterion or criterion clarification that was used for the rejection.
Similarly, it would be helpful if WE could associate that criterion and/or clarification with our votes.
I just have this image of the submitter being horribly frustrated and exclaiming, âBut itâs a little library!!!â since most players have no clue about criterion clarifications.
I just got a nomination with an awful photo, that would be a duplicate anyway if it were acceptable. I rejected the nomination for bad photo instead of marking it as a duplicate, because marking it as duplicate would add the bad photo to the wayspot. I have also rejected when the photo submitted is the exact same one that was already live.
I would like to see it made clearer in the review flow that a nomination should not be marked duplicate if the photo should not be added to the wayspot.
âWayfarer criteriaâ as a rejection means that you have not demonstrated that this meets any criteria:
Must meet at least one of the three eligibility criteria
A great place for exploration
A great place for exercise
A great place to be social with others
To me, this is a clear indication that I should rethink this nomination, or at least present a photo that makes it clearer what I am trying to submit if I still believe it does.
âWayfarer criterionâ means absolutely nothing. In fact, it reads to me like a broken piece of automation where someone forgot to replace a piece of placeholder text with the actual reason.
You, apparently, have had this so drilled into your head that the opaque words now have a meaning for you. Thatâs not intended as an insult. You share that meaning and thatâs great. My point here is that thereâs no need to refer to experts when plain English could have been used in the first place. Most submitters do not have this additional knowledge that you have and share.
As a long time computer engineer I learned ages ago that âwrongâ is a very bad response from any automation. Rather than telling people âwrongâ, itâs better to tell people what TO do, point them to constructive documentation, or, at the very least, explain what the blockage is and why it exists. âWayfarer criterionâ does none of these.
I have not had this drilled into me. I go to âWayfarerâ and there is a tab for âCriteriaâ so I donât get why this is a confusing rejection reason.
Many new Wayfarers donât really know what they are doing. They just nominate things. This is a problem of not being educated about the various criteria. Did people still submit bad photos, things that donât meet the social/exercise/explore, or rejection worthy locations like schools when the test still existed? Yes they did. But at least they were forced to read and study the various criteria more before being allowed to nominate and review.
Niantic has implemented the Machine Learning (ML) algorithm to assist in reviewing. This has been wonderful. It has greatly decreased how long it takes to come to a decision on a nomination and helped reduce backlogs. But people are already figuring out how to abuse the ML to get things into the games that probably shouldnât be there. So while ML does have its reasons for rejecting a nomination, Niantic is not going to share in detail why ML chose to reject.
So I think that is why the rejection is currently Wayfarer Criteria
Ok, âwayfarer criterionâ. Letâs puzzle it out, shall we?
Iâm the wayfarer. Thatâs obvious. That was made abundantly clear during the orientation. So apparently âcriterionâ is saying something critical about me, personally, but I donât know what.
Is it a verb? To criterion the wayfarer? An adjective? Iâm too criterion to be accepted? Another noun? So a noun noun pairing? WTF would that even mean?
Iâm still not getting it.
Ok, letâs try âcriterionâ. What about the criterion? âWayfarerâ about the criterion. WTF does that mean? Which criterion, btw? Is ML arguing that my trail head isnât appropriate for pedestrians again? That exercise equipment isnât appropriate for exercise? What failing does it think is involved?
So far, from reading this forum, Iâve learned that âWayfarer criterionâ probably means that the ML couldnât find a singular target in the photo. Thatâs hardly anything to do with me, (the wayfarer), nor the stated criterion. So, could you please explain how you get the meaning of âno singular target in photoâ from the words âwayfarer criterionâ?
It says âWayfarer Criteriaâ as the rejection. Not criterion.
There are various forms of Criteria that Niantic (and I suspect the ML) look at:
Eligibility Criteria: a great place to exercise and/or explore and/or socialize with people
Acceptance Criteria:
1. Must meet at least one of the three eligibility criteria
2. Must be a permanent physical, tangible, and identifiable place or object, or object that placemarks an area
3. Must be safe and publicly accessible by pedestrians (indoor or outdoor)
4. Must contain accurate information in the title, description, and photo
Rejection Criteria:
examples are poor quality pictures, third party content in the description or photos, abusive content in any part of the nomination, self identification or other forms of manipulating the voter, inaccurate location, or an inappropriate location. I included the link below for the detailed list of rejection criteria.
Adding, Iâm not sure where you found âIâm the Wayfarer.â We do Wayfarer and sometimes we refer to ourselves as âWayfarersâ or say weâre âWayfarering.â
Wayfarer is a process, a program, not a person.
I understand youâre unhappy with a lot of branding and messaging Niantic uses and I agree - a lot could be improved. Perhaps we could agree to say you hope for better messaging and we dig into more discussion on the topic in a new focused thread? I think youâve made your points clear enough and Iâd be worried that this single topic is to become the main focus and overtake other ideas from being shared here.
I think I see the miscommunication! Ty for engaging. The rejection reason does not mean:
It means that no eligible âWayfarer criteriaâ was detected, so the nomination was rejected. It does not mean that your photo wasnât good enough.
For next steps, if I feel the rejection was incorrect after going back and reviewing Wayfarer criteria, and I think it is worth trying to submit again, I try to take a photo that better represents the point of interest and makes it clearer what it is. That is simply how I proceed to begin a resubmission. That is not part of the rejection reason.
I donât understand why people are upset when theyâre sentenced without a specific charge. Thereâs a tab for âLawsâ, so why is this confusing to anyone?
Theyâve been found guilty of violating the law, that should be enough for anyoneâŚ
I was asking a sincere question. Do you have a suggestion for wording that would help make this answer more clear? The sarcasm does not help the discussion.
You may or may not remember that my complaint was instrumental in getting Niantic to at least add an example of a âmistakeâ to the educational emails. I am all for making things clearer.
According to folks on this board, it does mean exactly that as one of the most frequent causes and likely the most frequent cause for my submissions so far.
Iâm not championing that interpretation. Iâm pointing out that from reading this board, that is the meaning I have been taught to take from that phrase.
Are you seeing yet that the phrase is meaningless on itâs face? Itâs not even clear with experts who all think they know what it means standing behind it.
Iâve been asked to take this thread of discussion off this posting, and I think thatâs a reasonable request, so I wonât be responding any further to it here. Iâll be happy to take it up elsewhere if that seems appropriate.