What is nature sign?

[Trollfarer]

The first response i gave you explained what a nature sign is. Information sign about nature.

The sign itself might not meet criteria, but you can still do something to make it eligible.
If that sign marks the entrance of a trail through the reserve, you can nominate the trail entrance with the boundary sign as a man-made “anchor”. The text needs to be focused on the reserve rather than the sign. Trails are great places to explore, but they need something distinct/man-made in the photo to fit the criteria

[cyndiepooh]

@aZirkhel

It is a great place for explorarion, and it is a great place for exercice. A pokestop needs a valid point.

You are so close here! The reserve is a great place for exercise and exploration, not the sign. A pokestop does need a valid point - we usually call this a visual anchor.

@Trollfarer has already explained how this sign could possibly represent a valid Wayspot while not being eligible as a point of interest on its own while I was trying to think how to say this XD

[aZirkhel]

Ty for advice. Making a pokestop is
not my pri #1, im trying to figure out what is criteria for a nature sign

I read, and apreciate time spent for that.

Im still not sure what is the definition of nature signs ? Its listed as great pokestops, and you gave example what you feel is nature sign. Is that the definition, or is it an opinion ?

Again, ty for helping out. I still fail understandig the exact meaning of nature signs

[aZirkhel]

I do appreciate the help and input. To narrow down a bit: a statue 200 metres away, already pokestop, blocks the info sign, the trailmarker and a beach volley as possible more spots. They are all approved spots, but as they are within same S2 cell, they are now dynamsx spots

So i try get another spot, referencing the resorvoar, unfortunatly, all «valid» sposts are blockedd by that statue near ocean.

And so my quest continues. Its very much all approved places, but a bit unluck with cell placement. So to nerd a bit, I try figure out how to get a pokestop #2 within same area.

And thats where I have to resort to nitpicking «what is nature sign»

[cyndiepooh]

@aZirkhel

I have to resort to nitpicking

I call this “rules lawyering” XD

I understand where you are coming from. But if you see all the debates here on what is SFPRP (usually in the context of where a Little Free Library is eligible) or whether “neighborhood signs” are eligible, you will see that Niantic does not like to get specific on definitions. I truly believe that changing your focus away from what the sign is to what it could be an anchor for is the way to go.

[cyndiepooh]

the picnic area or view bench here could be acceptable:

there isn’t any street view for me to see the area your sign was in to check there though

[aZirkhel]

its not very important. My wife came home and we carried this discussion for 10 mins. Even by asking copilot we cant get a straight answer. So I let it be.

Centre downtown has one billion pokestops, its 15 min drive away.

So sorry all

[aZirkhel]

Its a bit more complicated when you put over S2 grid map. But all good an tywm. All in good sports

[cyndiepooh]

that is the S2 cells map

but maybe there is something already existing that doesn’t show in ingress

[elijustrying]

Here is the what is on lightship

[aZirkhel]

This it what it looks like in S2 world besides that, i got flagged by you all for not relevant and first strike. So I take a hint ty for those trying to help and going into discussion.

[Leedle95]

The map you are using relies on user input and is not always up to date. It’s fine as a general guide, but often has POIs that have been removed or does not have all approved way spots. Just FYI.

[cyndiepooh]

I am using iitc with pogotools overlay.

[aZirkhel]

Its up to date its my home recidense, and I can comfirm the spots listed are very much there. As well as I can comfirm the one spot within «my» 64 cell grid, blocks 3 other fine locations that are approved but wont be pokestops.

If grid was 1 meter to left and down, the area would have 3 spots and not 1

[aZirkhel]

To be philosphical again. If a wayspot meets criteria, its not on same S2 cell, and the «anchor» is by nimatecs own standards within rules.

What else prevents this from being wayspot, besides people on internet saying «naaah» ?

[RoIi112]

Voting results… its not a simple yay or nay.

[cyndiepooh]

I will try to address this.

@aZirkhel

If a wayspot meets criteria

Criteria is not something that is black or white, or yes or no. Most of Wayfarer is a judgement call. When Niantic went to the new review flow, Tintino specifically posted this reminder:

@NianticTintino

Even with these changes, reviewing requires your good judgment. There is no single set of rules or person who can tell a community what places are important where others are not. That’s why there will always be some ‘gray area’ in our collective goal to map the most interesting local places.

There is no point of interest that Niantic labels as “this must be accepted.”

Our job as submitters is to convince reviewers that the Wayspot we are nominating absolutely meets criteria. I think I have pasted both of these before, but will put them here so they are together.

From Niantic Wayfarer, this is what we have to show:

Must meet at least one of the three eligibility criteria

• A great place for exploration
• A great place for exercise
• A great place to be social with others

From Niantic Wayfarer just being “eligible” does not equal being something that must be accepted:

What makes a place or object eligible to be a Wayspot?

A note on eligibility: if a Wayspot nomination meets one of the below criteria, that’s great! But remember that eligibility alone isn’t sufficient to turn a nomination into an accepted Wayspot. Carefully consider the eligibility criteria, along with the acceptance criteria, rejection criteria, and content guidelines, when evaluating nominations.

For some points of interest, the submitter doesn’t have to work very hard. Most people are familiar with a church, a playground, or a soccer field and are able to accept these easily without much convincing. For other nominations, it can be challenging to make the reviewer see the importance, like a sign that can seem generic and not very interesting.

I also want to remind that you can appeal directly to Niantic when you think the decision on your nomination was wrong. You get two appeals, each on a 20 day timer before you can use them again. There you have a second chance to add information to convince that your nomination is meaningful to the local community. Remember that the human reviewing the appeal may not have the same life experience as you, and explain every detail of how you feel that the Wayspot does meet criteria.

fwiw, I am glad that you want to engage in discussion.

[cyndiepooh]

@aZirkhel

its not on same S2 cell,

This has nothing to do with a Wayspot being accepted. The L17 S2 cell rule is only for a Wayspot to be able to go live as a Pokestop or gym.

[holdthebeer]

@aZirkhel

To be philosphical again

As a philosopher, behold: Schrödinger’s Wayspot. You say it is a wayspot and meets all criteria, but reviewers may disagree and say it doesn’t meet the criteria and is not a wayspot. Until the decision is returned to you, the result is a superposition of ‘yes’ and ‘no’. Then you’ll know.

P.S. Unlike the canonical Schrödinger’s cat, you also have the option to appeal.

[aZirkhel]

Ty for feedback. I made appeal, tried point out my arguments and will accept any judgements if it goes «my» way or not, and will let it be no matter outcome