In my looking up of clarifications, I found Private Residences, Farmland & K-12, significantly the “facilities primarily focused for persons under 18 years of age”.
The center does have a daycare (the ECLC). However that is not their primary focus. Their website itself features fitness options, adult classes & culture, and inclusive activities before youth programs.
I would like your opinions & advice — does the presence of a daycare in a community center that does many things make the whole center ineligible?
Anyway preschool and daycare is included in rejection criteria. So the i think the rejection is valid. Maybe if you can prove that day care and the rest of community center is separated, it might be different
This looks like a rec center that also has a separate daycare/preschool/after school program. It reminds me of the Y in my city; it offers all 3, but the main function of the Y is to promote health and wellness for all, and they have Wayspots. There’s a lot of fitness and sports offered here, language classes, social clubs, etc. I’m thinking that there may be a separation between these areas, such as the ECLC and other child programs being in one part, and the fitness and adult learning being in another, which I know other centers similar to this do; one of the Y’s in my city has the childcare in the west side of the building, while the fitness center and other space is on the east side.
Also, looking at the building on both satellite and Street View, it seems like there’s one entrance to the entire facility, but the fitness center is on the west side, while the ECLC is on the east side, as I see a playground there. I wasn’t able to find a floor plan for the facility, which would help in this case, so if you are able to provide more detail about that, it may help.
You didn’t post the full supporting info, so I don’t know what you noted about the center, or if you provided their website there, as links can be provided in supporting info. You could have even provided it in the appeal, not just that this isn’t solely a K-12 facility.
You’re correct that there’s a singular entrance. All the fitness areas are to the west (left), and adult programs have areas around the entrance (center). To be honest I don’t know where exactly the kids are, but it’s definitely not with the fitness rooms.
Here’s my artist’s renditions of the floor plans, next time I’m there I’ll see if I can notice more.
I did provide the link in the supporting information, and figured the appeal reviewers would pull it from there. I shared everything I wrote, though it wasn’t much since I thought Community Center = clear POI. I would definitely write more in a future submission, though I’m not entirely sure what I can say to convince people not to hit “K-12” as soon as they see “early childhood” on the map.
If they have a reception desk, that may be a good place to start asking about the layout of the center. Some of the ??? areas might be for the ECLC, even the basement on the east side. Otherwise, if they have a general contact phone number, email address, or web form, might want to try contacting someone that way.
I would have accepted this. Presumably inside the building there is a room or several rooms that the children use, and other rooms for other activities. Since the building is shared use, there will be systems in place to ensure the children are safe, and other users of the centre are able to enjoy their visit too.
I noticed there is a pool and a gym? You may be able to also nominate those as additional PoIs.
In my area we have a village hall and also a community centre, both have daycare facilities there, but they are not the whole purpose of the buildings, which serve many groups within the community and cater to all ages- very similar to this nomination you shared. Both are PoIs. So I see no reason this one shouldn’t be either
I don’t know if this is the cause of the rejection, but it shouldn’t be.
Community Centres that have Childcare / Nursery facilities can be tricky, but shouldn’t be the reason for rejection. The Description could be better to show what functions / activities (otside the nursery / pre-school / childcare school) that are on offer.
Many community centres, village halls, churches and other places of worship have some sort of preschool clubs running on the premises. I have had rejects on that basis, but as their primary function is not a school then these should be acceptable IMO.
I have submitted and had accepted a “welcome” sign for a local church parish centre (similar to a community centre) where half of the sign was for the children’s nursery held there. I would not have been surprised at a rejection even though the primary function is as a community centre.
You’ve been unlucky and I would resubmit in your position, but with a better description. Reference the non-child uses without making a song and dance (submissions that complain about previous rejections are an immediate turn-off).
