Criteria Clarification Collection - Discussion

To follow on from @frealafgb
An individual table would not be an instant reject, but its situation would need to be considered.
For example
In some small parks the picnic area may have only one table so that could be considered.
There may be a single picnic table but the view from that spot is great, again consider the whole of the location and situation.

2 Likes

@elijustrying @frealafgb
There is another park that has multiple tables together at one spot:

image

This area is one wayspot, which makes sense.

The first park is different, as it has a lot of tables separately all over it. It’s big. The view from all the tables is about the same. There’s no marked “this is a picnic area” zone - drop a blanket anywhere you want, and you have your own picnic area. 4 of the tables are wayspots. I’d like to know if I can remove them or if I can start adding all the tables - Google Maps.

Also, while I appreciate your input, I’d like an official clarification from Niantic.

I think in that first park you shared I might submit like 2 or 3 sets of tables as an “area” loosely defined by what they overlook

I would not be looking to remove things or add every table. Obviously I am not there looking at real life but that is my feeling from the map you shared.

2 Likes

It’s not up to me to offer an opinion since you are talking about removing wayspots, that purely lies in the hands of the Wayfarer Team.
Which of the removal criteria do you think they meet as they appear from what you shown to be there?

I don’t think there is anything for Wayfarer Team to comment on here. The published clarification gives a broad enough base to apply to individual circumstances for submission and reviewing. Anything they decide if you submit a request on this individual case applies to this individual case only.

1 Like

Look, I don’t want this thread to get closed due to our arguing.

I asked for Niantic to clarify picnic tables and areas, because ultimately it’s up to Niantic to decide what stays and what goes - you are correct here.

Which removal criteria they meet is irrelevant, because see above. Just because something doesn’t meet removal criteria doesn’t mean it can’t be removed. “Ask, and ye shall receive” works quite a lot for me.

You think that clarification is clear enough? Good. I don’t think so, so I asked for further clarification, just like other people asked for further clarifications on other things.

Can we also get Niantic clarifications (not player opinions) about transit hubs? I thought that only famous transit hubs are eligible, but seems to me that an intersection of any two bus routes is considered a hub. Maybe I was wrong in rejecting a few bus stop nominations and should start accepting and nominating them :laughing:


@NianticTintino Please provide a clarification on neighborhood signs. These keep coming through voting. There is nothing inherent about them that meets criteria, but players see a sign and submit it. And then reviewers see a sign has been accepted on the nearby wayspots and accept it. And so on and so on.

7 Likes

Can we get a clarification on exact value of “significant distance”?

There is a significant number of community that think city/neighborhood signs fit the “explore” category. While, this is not a universal view and is more prevalent in some communities than others, I just wanted to push back a bit when you say “Nothing meets criteria”. But, just as importantly, the schism is such that it could use a look at.

Or it could simple be left to local communities and standards and just means it’s the norm hit-n-miss decision

City signs are not anything like these neighborhood signs I am talking about. There is one at almost every corner where I live. If you want to /something with them, maybe “estate” signs comes closest. I almost always accept “welcome to city” signs if they have safe pedestrian access. The neighborhood signs I mean are just there to identify the subdivision for the builder and have zero significance outside of identifying the real estate.

2 Likes

I’d call them apartment/condo/town house/housing communities. Besides those “estate” signs for larger housing communities that span for blocks I’ve seen signs for individual apartment buildings.

And yes, those signs are different from “Welcome to such and such official city” or “Welcome to such and such official city neighborhood”. They are “Here’s a sign for a random living community that has a fancy name given to it by developers or owners to make it more attractive to potential clients and to increase its value” :grin:

1 Like

I contacted the Wayspot Removal for a generic postbox and a generic comunity mailbox… this is the response after some back to back emails from Niantic:


Both Zachary and Saylor responded the exact same in regards to a mailbox. If you live in Canada you have likely seen this.
This is a generic item as updated for anti-graffiti wrap by the postal company.


The above is an example from google of the mailbox I reported for removal. The one that is title “Artistic Mailbox”

So clarification on generic objects would be good. As apparently mailboxes and community mailboxes such as this… are allowed

At least the mailboxes in the UK are slightly significant. The ones here are completely the same. The wrap isn’t even different depending on where you are.

2 Likes

Slightly!!!

Some have a G on them, some an E, some a V, some no letters at all.

3 Likes

You forgot to mention some of the Es are more twisty than others

1 Like

Using that in the support, thank you.

1 Like

I googled “canada mailboxes with anti graffiti wrap”, switched to image results, and one of the first photos was two of the same mailboxes, exactly like this one, standing side by side. There were more photos of the same mailbox. So they are still mass-produced, generic mail drop-off mailboxes designed and placed by Canada’s postal service department, even though someone might consider them artsy. But because of “mass-produced and generic” part they shouldn’t have been nominated, let alone approved. I tried to search for this design, but only found this article related to community mailboxes and not to mail drop-off mailboxes - Community mailbox design unveiled as Canada Post prepares to phase out door-to-door delivery | CTV News. This might help with removing community mailboxes wayspots. If you could find something in the news about this artsy design that shows this is mass-produced, it might help with those mailboxes, too.

Oh I did. I sent links and examples.
For the mailbox I gave several streetview examples from around town with coordinates. Then I added links from three other provinces for the mailboxes.
For the community one I added links and the websites. So this was done initially in the wayspot removal and then subsequently after feedback. Most of the community ones are for developments in my area. Although, I know other cities moved to that before it was stopped. With emails to show another province showing who will stop receiving door delivery and then another link in another province that no further community mailboxes will come up (due to elections) but that door service will not resume for those that have the community boxes.
Yet this was the response for all my evidence.
I can easily submit in wayspot appeals but was leaning towards an anonymous removal to not trigger some people. Instead, maybe I should just start submitting some :rofl:

2 Likes

Do the appeals. If they fail, then we’ll know for sure it’s totally fine to nominate drop-off mailboxes and community mailboxes :grin: I guess I could also try nominating FedEx and UPS drop-off boxes :grin:

I was just trying to remove a mailbox. But I guess now I can start nominating them.
This criteria needs to be clarified:


This is Niantic’s response after showing them the rejection criteria site that the object is mass-produced. Both Saylor and Zachary bot responded with the same message.
So anytime your wayspot is publicly accessible an appeal can happen on the grounds that no other such criteria need be met :rofl:
Yet Niantic voting and appeals denied multiple trail markers that are on trail maps due to being “generic”. But sure let’s keep the mailboxes.
The more recent nominations for stop signs that I have had I really shouldn’t have rejected, since they are publicly accessible :thinking:

Can you show what kind of mailbox you are talking about for reference?

Oh nvm. Scrolled back to previous posts :woman_facepalming:

1 Like