Had this show up on my showcase in wayfarer… not sure how it was passed as it is the “fence” for this school.
However, I had a really hard time removing another wayspot with the removal tab at the top when I was reviewing a nomination at a school across the country. Noticed two other wayspots at the school. The turf field was a no-brainer, but the historical sign in the school’s parking lot was harder because the Niantic staff said it is “publicly accessible”. Maybe since no fence line likely doesn’t obscure the wayspot?! There was just a grassy area and a bus stop between the sign and the sidewalk.
I responded back to them with a link to the forum and a screenshot stating that fences and boundaries are part of it. Also, that if they considered that accessible, then something like the streams of fish on a fence, or similar to this wayspot should be. In the end it was removed. Odd I had this show up two days later.
To be honest, I am not sure how it was approved. Although, I do know most people don’t consider fences to be included in the criteria. It is the same with the residential easements that are considered PRP. I removed a hedge as a wayspot and someone even went looking into the boundary guidelines and markers to explain it was municipal property. The reason for that hard push was that it took the larger area down to only 2 gyms and it is heavily residential and apparently no more wayspots could bring another gym up.
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Feel free to fix your mistake with grey.
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ah i guess someone’s forgotten the school rhyme “a over e, except overseas”
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I’m not sure what Emily, the Machine Learning program has to do with this? It does not have an input of specific data that it is matching things to but instead learns what elelements might make something good or bad.
The criteria clarifications produced drew on the old AMA and forum postings and contain lots of examples. The Wayfarer Team decided on what areas needed those clarifications and how they could be illustrated.
The clear idea is that there is a set of principles underpinning what makes an acceptable wayspot and the clarifications simply do give examples of those being applied. This, used in conjunction with the information on the website and on the review screen should be sufficient to answer the review questions 
or I dont know in most cases.
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Nah, I knew that @seaprincesshnb knew I knew 
Of course not, you just fell into a Logic Fallacy, that paralyzes society, law and organizations of all types and sizes.
Just because you can’t make things “Perfect” doesn’t mean you can’t make things “Better”
I never said, a clarification of a clarification would be perfect, but when it spawns mega debate and discussion it shows that there is room to make the clarification better.
It still won’t be perfect for the entire planet.
It still will be better than it was.
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Mega debate? This is a long thread because there’s only one comment thread allowed in this whole section.
45 total users. Here are the people making multiple comments:
Top person is a guy who can’t help but make a reply to every comment on the forum…
Several ambassadors and then a smattering of others.
This isn’t as big of a debate as you think it is. One or two people still arguing their own opinion that they want black and white rules doesn’t make it a mega debate.
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I appreciate ambassadors and niantic employees working on threads and clarifications.
But honesty, the debate almost feels like ambassadors and perhaps niantic employees are “defensive” as if they are being insulted when a clarification is pointed out to have room for improvement.
I don’t want to rehash that thread here, but I’ll repeat when Google Definition of a phrase used in a clarification is different from the intent… That’s about as clear-cut black and white, fix the clarification.
If I magically worked for Niantic and read that thread, I’d have editted the clarification immediately when pointed out the worlds main search engine takes a phrase I used differently.
Which is my only point here.
Hey…
Be thankful I rarely comment on the really boring stuff like criteria and rules that I know some of you really, really love.
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That’s just @elijustrying and I having a lovely conversation.
I bet everyone else is talking about boring, boring criteria
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You keep talking about Google’s definition of Community as the be-all, end-all.
Google’s definition is a lot more vague than you think.
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Type in “Community Pool” the word right after the word community in the criteria. or Try google maps and see if you get a single non-government pool when you type in “Community Pool”
The fact that googling “Community Pool” gives an impression completely contradictory to the purpose of the clarification, means fix the dang clarification.
If you have to link to a Law Site, to defend the words chosen in Clarification, choose different words is my point. Really don’t have anything else to add as we are talking at circles.
Its a lot lot easier
NianticTintinoWayfarer Team
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Community pools, or those associated with sports facilities, can make great nominations and should be considered eligible. While nominating you should keep in mind that it should be a place where people can go to exercise or be social with others, a place of entertainment, and fun.
It is important to choose a pin placement on a side of the pool that respects and does not interfere with the use of the pool, and is a safe location.
To change it to something like
"Community pools, or those associated with sports facilities, can make great nominations and should be considered eligible. Examples of community pools include those found in cities, parks, subdivisions, apartment complexes, etc. While nominating you should keep in mind that it should be a place where people can go to exercise or be social with others, a place of entertainment, and fun.
That addition fixes any ambiguity google gives.
I don’t feel defensive or precious about the published clarifications, sorry if it’s creating that impression.
There are several topics that have been raised in this thread that may or may not be worth looking at, but it’s always worth seeing what happens over time. The idea is that there are relatively simple principles and you apply those.
Trail markers dominated the start of this topic. But I get the impression that as time has passed and it’s been discussed things have settled a little.
Pools such as those discussed are something alien to me. So I do tend to view it as quite theoretical 
Personally they all seem the same to me a dug out hole filled in with water with some space around it, postboxes are so much more relatable 
But it’s not my decision. My role is to simply say you might want something and think you have a watertight (
oh the heat is getting to me) argument but temper your expectations because it might not be viewed that way.
I feel the conversation on this aspect is going round in circles and the points have been well made.
Perhaps we can leave this one for now?
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@Elijustrying, first of all, I would like to apologize for my lack of words. I wanted to keep the text as short as possible, but when I looked back at the post myself, I realized that there weren’t enough words.
I think “Machine Learning in Wayfarer” is involved in the review, but looking at other topics I feel that sometimes the decision is not sufficient. In the future, “Machine Learning in Wayfarer” may be able to do all the review, but for now, I think the “community” still needs to do the review properly. Therefore, I thought it was necessary to further organize and enrich the contents of Criteria. I think it would be desirable to summarize the details of the items considered and concluded by the “community” and incorporate them into the Criteria, including how best to consider and make decisions. (Therefore, I think there will be a lot of description in the relevant part of Criteria.)
By the way, if AI were to revise Criteria, what would it create? Since it seems that they refer to information on the internet, AI will also refer to discussions in this community.
I’d like to have further clarification on Picnic Areas - if a park has picnic tables all over it, does every table qualify as a separate wayspot?
No, not every table. But if for example one part of the park had a picnic area, and there was a separate area in another part of the park, those could potentially be separate nominations.
So possibly an area with the lake view might be separate from an area overlooking a playground etc
