The sign is proper. Its not paper. Its just that shade of white with that black lettering really doesn’t photograph well. But its a solid, sturdy, permanent sign. “Its not up to my tastes” seems a silly reason for removal when the community already voted otherwise.
If this were in person, you’d be able to tap on it and see… sans that ability, make the permance more obvious by ephasizing other permanent parts of the trail is really all I can do, at least, that I’m aware of… I actually swept the steps before hand for that reason lol.
Imagine holding your breath, praying this pokestop goes through, that sigh of relief when it gets Approved… only to have the devs uncerimoniously kill it because you dared to reach out for support to make sure visitors don’t get lost in the woods.
Now imagine this was your only source of pokestop tasks and half your supply of rocket grunts and you only got to enjoy it for a single day.
Resubmit, get the location 100% accurate, and hope it gets approved by reviewers the second time round. Since it was accepted by reviewers first time, that should happen.
I get it. But to help your appeal, stick to giving facts here the team may need to reinstate it before you even consider resubmitting it. It would have been removed for reasons, and you don’t want to be seen as spamming an ineligible nomination.
When they reply, they will let you know if they need more evidence. Like a geotagged photo, or a video including points that can be seen on satellite view to confirm location. Or a more close-up photo that can help convince this is a permanent trail marker. You don’t need to do anything or reply to any of us while you wait for staff. Their avatars are clearly marked.
I looked into the Wayspot in question and I recommend that you revisit the criteria.
I could not find any mention of the said trail anywhere. Moreover, the trail marker is a print out stuck on a tree using a duct tape. It does not meet our criteria. We stand by the removal of the Wayspot.
This appears to be an area to walk pets from the mobile home park, so it may not be a trail that has a map or links online to it. There are more and more mobile home parks and RV parks that are adding these small trails for people to walk their pets, but just putting up a piece of paper on a tree with duct tape doesn’t make this a permanent trail.
Yes, it’s possible that this connects those at the mobile park to the Lower Trailhead for Deception Butte, but I don’t think it’s an official trail like Deception Butte is, as seen below:
Maybe if I put a big heavy rock on the sign it will be more obvious that its a permanent sturdy structure and not literal paper…?
I agree that on google maps the 2 dont appear to connect, thats why I wanted to make a Route, so I can show how the two connect…. I’d be more than happy to take a video of me, walking said trail, until it connects to the Butte Trailhead.
PROOF! Its a sturdy metal sign secured with screws!!
No paper! No duct tape!! Do you want me to also prove it’s connect to the real documented trails via video? (Its a 30 minute walk to meet said documented trailhead)
Your main photo, as well as supporting, doesn’t really show that this is a permanent sign. In the future, you may want to take a photo of the sign for the main photo, and in the supporting show the sign and trail together. There are some good examples of main photos like this in the Trails & Markers section.
Staff may take another look at this, but there’s no guarantee that they’ll reverse the decision.
Given its a white sign with black text using a font that looks like marker, how was I meant to make it obvious at a glance that it’s not paper?
Should I stack piles of rocks upon the sign to make it more obvious in it’s official picture? Or like… use one of the pics I just took as my supporting photo….?
It’s unlikely you will get a reversal of opinion from staff since it was already mislocated and they have replied (more than once). However, it’s possible.
If you take a series of photos, starting close in (definitely including the key details from the last two photos) and working out to much further away, this should show this is a proper sign at this location. Combined with the correct location - and something, anything, that backs up the concept of pet trails at mobile home parks - you might be successful.
Okay you have your answer from staff that they do not believe this is a permanent sign marking an actual trail. When I am submitting a sign as the focal point for a Wayspot, I like to take it something like this:
The main photo centers the sign, leaving enough context around it to confirm the surroundings, but close enough to confirm it is a permanently mounted sign.
For this nomination, I used this supporting photo to prove the location via reference points that could be seen on Maps:
So I had elements to convince it was there in the photo along with links to prove a named path runs here.
If you choose to resubmit the nomination after seeing what it looked like to staff, please be sure to provide as much convinicing evidence that it is what you say it is and is where you say it is as you can. Also, be careful with your pin, and check your contributions page to be sure that it went where you thought you put it. You can withdraw it if it didn’t.
Again, I could take a video. But it’d be a good 30 minute hike through mountainous national forest so… I kind of want to know that I wouldn’t be doing it completely in vain because quote: “Niantic has already decided this sign is a piece of paper with some duct tape” despite all evidence to the contrary.
I… wish I’d know that was the assumption they were under from the get go… perhaps I could have shown them that it’s metal secured with screws before they made up their minds.
It seems odd, that Rejected nominations have an Appeal button, but Approved nominations in situations like this do not.
You have shown that the metal sign is real and I agree the assumption on that was wrong.
In regards to the trail, others have shown that the Trail is not shown in this location. Just because you can walk to the Trail on this path does not make it part of the Trail.
You have already succeeded in proving the sign, now you need to prove that that this path is not just a path but is officially part of the trail.
If Wayfarer Support could tell me specifically what proofs they require, I’d be happy to gather and submit them.
As it is now I feel like I’m taking shots in the dark with no way to know if I’m getting closer or if the metaphorical target is even still in the room and possible to hit, ya dig?
You still seem to be ignoring that the “path” you are trying to nominate is not shown as part of any “Trail”. According to the evidence people have supplied above this is just a “Path”.
So you need an official source that list this “Path” as part of the “Trail”.
I’m not ignoring it, I’m saying I dont want to go down whatever trail (paper, dirt, or otherwise) I’d need to get the associated proofs, only to then be told that it wasn’t what they needed, or that it’s too late/impossible to appeal at this point or what have you.
Before I was operating under the (false) assumption that it was removed because they thought it was requested by the property owner.
Then, at last, it was clarified by NianticAaron that the assumption was that it’s a “paper print out",” therefor not a permanent structure.
So now I want to know if I’ve successfully proven to them that it isn’t paper, and is a real metal sign thats been there so long the screws have begun to rust? Or if the trail being a trail really is the issue? Or if it’s another problem entirely? And I haven’t seen anyone with the Wayfarer Team tag elaborate yet so…..
