Need advice: Cultural Welcome Sign rejected for "Not permanent and not distinct"

General Discussion
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Proposta di Wayspot per Cartello di Benvenuto “Genzano di Roma - Città dell’Infiorata”

RM

RM (41.701237,12.676162)

Non accettate

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2026-06-27 - Rejected

I revisori hanno fornito questi motivi principali per non aver accettato questa proposta:
  1. La proposta è probabilmente non permanente o distinta

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Descrizione

Targa civica di benvenuto che accoglie cittadini e visitatori nel comune di Genzano di Roma. L’insegna, posta alla sommità della struttura, rivendica con orgoglio il titolo di “Città dell’Infiorata”, celebrando l’identità locale e la profonda tradizione artistica e culturale del territorio, nota a livello internazionale per la storica manifestazione floreale.

Posizione

Open in: GoogleOpenStreetMapIntelBingYandex

Local maps (:italy:): Geoportale Nazionale*

Genzano di Roma, Lazio

Visualizza su Google Maps

Via Fatebenefratelli, 2, 00045 Genzano di Roma RM, Italia

Informazioni supplementari

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Il candidato è un eccellente punto di esplorazione. Si prega di valutare esclusivamente la targa verde superiore (“Benvenuti a Genzano di Roma - Città dell’Infiorata”) e non il cartellone pubblicitario temporaneo sottostante, che funge solo da supporto strutturale. Non si tratta di un generico cartello stradale di confine (del tipo bianco del codice della strada), ma di un’installazione civica specifica che promuove il patrimonio culturale del luogo citando l’Infiorata (evento storico risalente al 1778). La struttura è storicamente presente, come verificabile da Street View, ed è posizionata in un’area dotata di banchina calpestabile che garantisce un accesso pedonale sicuro, invitando alla scoperta delle tradizioni dei Castelli Romani. Pienamente in linea con i criteri di accettazione per i luoghi che incoraggiano l’esplorazione e la cultura locale.

Hi everyone,

I recently had a nomination rejected and I’m struggling to understand the reviewers’ reasoning. It was rejected for being “Not permanent and not visually unique.”
My confusion regarding “Not Distinct”: I suspect some reviewers might have quickly dismissed this as a generic, mass-produced city limit traffic sign. However, it’s a specific civic installation designed to highlight the town’s main cultural heritage. It proudly displays the title “Città dell’Infiorata,” referring to a historic, internationally recognized floral art tradition dating back to 1778. It promotes local culture and encourages exploration, rather than just marking a geographical boundary.

My confusion regarding “Not Permanent”: The green welcome sign on top is absolutely permanent. In my supporting info, I specifically asked reviewers to evaluate the permanent green sign on top and NOT the temporary advertising billboard below it (which just serves as the structural base). The permanence of the top sign is easily verifiable via historical Google Street View imagery.

Safe Pedestrian Access: Just to anticipate any concerns about location, the structure has a proper, paved sidewalk directly underneath it, ensuring completely safe pedestrian access to walk up to it.

My Questions:

  1. Does anyone have advice on how to improve this nomination for an appeal or resubmission?

  2. How can I better frame the description/supporting info so reviewers focus on the cultural value (the Infiorata heritage) rather than just seeing a “sign on top of a billboard”?

Thanks in advance for your help and feedback!

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I agree with the reviewers that this has no cultural significance. In addition, I believe there is no safe pedestrian access

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It does have safe access (there is a sidewalk visible). However I also don’t think the sign should be approved.

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Maybe my standards for a safe sidewalk are too high, this just seems like a curb

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A sidewalk needs to be at least 2m wide to be safe where I am so this seems kind of unsafe but once again, maybe my standards are too high

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My view is that is a perfectly reasonable pavement /pedestrian walkway ….. there are some dropped kerbs further on.

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Not local so maybe I am missing something cultural but if as you say we are just to judge the Text Sign then I would Reject.

Counties / Towns / City in the UK will have a “known for” on many of the boundary signs…

  • Sheffield - The Steel City
  • Kent - The Garden of England

I have always taken it that the sign must have more than just text to make it possibly eligible…

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On the other side, in blue and white, depending on the reflection,
it says: Welcome to Genzano di Roma - city of the flower festival.

Am I the only one reading this?

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I confirm that it’s a sidewalk. A little ugly, but still a pavement. Italy isn’t known for its road safety, unfortunately. Cars don’t drive on it, so it’s not a curb.

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I’ve seen that, however it still is a generic sign. It can be resubmitted with more focus on this specific part, but still difficult to get accepted.

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As I stated, ignoring the rest of the structure all you have is a text sign of a place name with what it’s known for. This is no different to the UK examples I gave.

I could ask the same question about you?

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My town’s name has “university town” added, a neighboring town is also a “flower city”. Most places have that. The sign is still generic

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Infiorata di Genzano - Wikipedia Infiorata di Genzano - Wikipedia

Non sono fiori a caso

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Are any Flowers not Random???

If there is infrastructure where the “Festival of Flowers” is evident then they could be eligible but a generic sign that just states “This is a City, oh by the way we have a Flower Festival” is still a generic sign…

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Your standards are definitely too high. A sidewalk needs to be wide enough for a person to walk on, which can be done with a lot less than 2 meters. (Ideally, also for a wheelchair or other assistance device, but with the lack of dropped kerbs in most places, that’s a moot point.) In some places, 2 feet is enough; in others a safe grass verge works.

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You may have had this advice before, but you are misunderstanding the rejection for not Permanent and Distinct.

The rejection reason “not permanent and distinct” comes up in three situations:

* reviewers did not think the object is permanent
* reviewers did not think the object is distinct
* reviewers did not think the object meets any criteria (exercise, explore, social) and wanted to explicitly reject it, so reject for not “permanent and distinct” because that is the advice from Niantic

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it was also directed to @wooperIooper

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Please remain respectful towards fellow wayfarers, who are trying to help you.