Periods. Or: Periods

I am going to stop trying to convince you. Please don’t worry about which is current and just pick the best.

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Unfortunately, I am college educated and cannot skip when I see a title with a period on it.

I like to vote for the correct grammar and capitalization. However, I don’t tolerate abusive edits which is what we are trying to understand here.

Here you go.

Current portal info:

Photo shown during review so we’re sure it’s the correct portal:

Photos showing both edits in either place after refreshing:


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I think this is one of those things you’ll have to take time with and experiment yourself, but the information shared above comes from an expanse of working knowledge of the review process and experience with it. I don’t know how else we can convince you at this time as this can always be nitpicked around timing and presentation of screenshots and required use of the Ingress database that only updates once daily, but it is a fact that the first row is not guaranteed to be the current title and the “show edit changes” feature is randomized.

Personally, I’m not sure I’ve seen an edit trying to intentionally worsen the grammar. I would like to express to use caution in assuming people are performing abuse when it’s only a change in grammar or punctuation, as in my experience it’s usually been to clean up the earlier mistake(s).

Everyone has a different background and nobody should be expected to be a linguistics expert, even in their native language, and I know I’ve made mistakes on either the original nomination or an edit request where I’m typing in the in-game screen and can’t see everything I’ve written.

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I do appreciate and thank you for asking for clarification and talking through examples :smiley:

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Please help me understand why this original title was fine.

Then added a period in the edit title.

This is a challenging time when everyone wants to score the Wayfarer Challenge.

I didnt say anywhere not to vote for the best title/description. In fact, everyone here is telling you to vote for the best title/description whether or not you know if its the edit or original you are voting for. Since you are, in fact: voting for the best edit. If you read my post, I was saying in an instance where you have to pick between lets say a description that says “I loke these burgers” and “These bergers are the best” clearly neither is correct. The person submitting the edit clearly meant to update the description when they saw the mistake and just made a misspellimg themselves. So why report them for a simple mistake? However, since neither title is correct select the option “None of these”. Boom, edit has been denied and you didnt even have to know which one was the edit and didnt send an unnecessary report.

Now, as far as your above comment goes and the debate in question regarding “Famiky” vs “Family”:

So select the edit with “Family” since thats obviously the correct description(whether its the original description, or not) and be done with it. No need to send a report.

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How did you ensure the “original” was without the period?

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As a computer programmer, I would never have implemented such a confusing user interface as the flipping refresh. The logical approach would be to display the original title first, followed by the suggested edit title. Ideally, clear visual indicators, such as bullet points with checkmarks, would distinguish between the original and suggested edit titles. This would eliminate the guesswork for Wayfarer voters until Niantic provides official clarification.

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Intersting, thanks. I definitely agree in many cases it would help if we knew original vs edit. An edit including swear words, for example, I don’t want to flag as abuse and risk the person fixing it to get a warning. But what if it’s some punk trying to sneak it in?

I can’t say I disagree with this, either, but has your experience with Wayfarer (and Niantic in general) been intuitive?

I don’t know why it’s like this. I guess they want you to be reviewing blind. Like we discussed earlier. You shouldn’t be deciding if a new edit is strictly an improvement, you should just be selecting which one you think is best.

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The title at the top is blank until you select a radio button.
Your picture shows that you selected the first one, so it was put in the title field. THEN you took a screenshot as confirmation that your selection pre-existed. The fact that you selected it does not make it the original.

No, that is illogical. Niantic wants you to choose the BEST one, regardless of what’s current. They do not want your vote to be influenced by its current value. They want you to vote blind, for the best answer. They want their database to be the best it can be.

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I observed this and agree on the first part of your statement.

On the second part, I still see the title edits in this order: original in the first row, then suggested edit in the second row which I voted for “Boardwalk Bullet Roller Coaster”.

At this moment, I verified in Ingress portal map current title is “Boardwalk Bullet - Panorama”.

I think the conversation here, with regards to selecting text edits, has become bogged down and is going round in circles. There really is no need for further screenshots.

If the wayfarer team had wanted Wayfinders to directly compare the original text to any revisions then they would have said so in the structions, and they haven’t.
We are simply asked to select the one that in our judgement is the most accurate.
There are a raft of what I would describe as personal preferences, about the layout of the title in particular. Putting a period at the end is one that I come across in normal circumstances along with other preferences around commas, dashes, brackets etc. I don’t view these as malicious just someone’s idea of the “correct” layout. I’m sure other languages will also exhibit their own quirks.
Select the option you agree with most, and that might be none of the above.
Hit submit and move on.

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the order in which edit options are displayed is and always has been random. it only takes a few minutes of reviewing to find examples with the current title/description being in some position other than first. idk why the claim that the first is current keeps coming up but I wish it would finally go away.

just for fun, here’s the evidence I found in just 4 reviews yesterday. both screenshots taken within 1 minute of each other. current title is the second option.


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Well, yeah, that’s how randomness works. If it randomly selects between two options including the current title, then sometimes the current title will be selected as the basis for comparison. This is expected behaviour based on what everyone else is telling you. Showing that you sometimes see the current title selected as the basis for comparison proves nothing because nobody is arguing that this doesn’t happen.

Also, this is Niantic, the company whose email acknowledgments to Wayfarers have lied for years about the ability to manage edit contributions until they finally added that function somewhat recently. Arguing that something is impossible just because it seems illogical to you is just ignoring the fact that Niantic does not act logically.

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This is exactly what I expected: the title of the edit screen showing the original, that’s why I raised my concerns. In my example, it now seems likely the period was there, and removed, which is a fine edit.

In my next reviews, I’ll lookup the POI on the maps if in doubt, I think that would confirm the correct name as the edit’s still in voting.

Unintuitive indeed, but no doubt implemented on purpose to ensure people will just choose the best, and not what’s already there.

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no no no, the title on the page displays whichever item is currently selected and updates when you change your selection.

there is no way whatsoever to tell from the review page or any of the data under the hood in your browser which title or description is current. none. zip. zilch. nothing at all.

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yes that would be, but it’s not the approach they took.

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Thank you! Never realized this actually, it must 've been implemented a long time, but overlooked it all this time.

I guess then the only way to ascertain the original name is to actually go to the maps and take a look.

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But the point is that which was the original DOES NOT MATTER. Choose the best one.

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