Wayfarer review suggestions

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When you have to review titles or descriptions, it defaults to highlight differences. The highlighting is annoying and makes it more difficult to determine the what’s been written. Are we choosing the best title/description or are we choosing the one with more/less highlighted words? The differences is a tool to help you see they aren’t the same but it obfuscates the content of those submissions. Can we have it default to not have it highlighted or have an option in the site settings?

I’d like to see new waypoint nominations auto-rejected if the main and supporting photos are the same (exact) photos. The nominee didn’t take the time to properly submit a waypoint. “Photos should be clear and give a clear view of the whole location.” More photos help to give a better “picture” of the waypoint. There’s a reason why someone is only able to provide one photo…This will cut down on “fake” nominations and make the reviewers job easier.

Lately I’ve seen a surprising number of submissions at K-12 schools. Some of them actually saying “[Random place] Elementary Playground”. Then looking at the nearby waypoints, you see there are already other waypoints on school grounds that have been accepted. Besides driving out to those locations, which I’ve done for one that was only 35 minutes away, and reporting the issue in the app, I’d like an option in wayfarer to put the offending waypoints under review. I know this would cause an unfathomable influx of work for the staff but once the offenders are removed and the game is cleaned up, all will return to normal.

I’ve submitted many waypoint submissions as well as edits. I’d like a tally of how many I’ve submitted as well as the number accepted or denied, We have some sort of count of how many we’ve reviewed but nothing on the submission side.

Anyone else feel the same way about these issues?

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I like having the highlight on with the option to turn it off to help my eyes go to the right part of the text to look at. I do agree that it is easier to read with the highlights turned off, and we have seen many cases of people misunderstanding that the colors indicate which is the edit and thinking they should report an edit degrading the wayspot as abuse, so maybe reversing to have to toggle on the difference would help with that.

I have spoken with people I consider excellent Wayfarers who have submitted occasionally with the same photo both places due to extenuating circumstances preventing a useable supporting photo. I don’t agree that these should be auto rejected, but I would agree that they should be pulled into Niantic review.

I have also seen a lot of school ground nominations. My only explanation for these is ML accepts. I am hoping it learns from these. We already have the option to report via help chat or one of the forms linked at the top, so I don’t believe there needs to be an automatic pull into Niantic review for anything marked “school.”

I agree about the contributions totals but I already have this information from a Nomination Stats tool from wayfarer.tools.

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Does PoGo require to be onsite to report an invalid wayspot?

For Ingress, we can use a deeplink to open any portal in the scanner (without needing a key). While edits have distance limits, I don’t know if there is one for reporting invalid entries (if there is, I haven’t seen it yet).

Another option is to gather up the location and names of the various wayspots on school properties and report them via abuse on the website in one setting (well, one school at a time).

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Yes. Very frustrating.

I also use deep links in Ingress. And reports can come from anywhere from any level players.

The report forms I mentioned are good because you can include more information, but Ingress has recently added a text box so :crossed_fingers:

Ugh.

I recently use the abuse form to supply a link to a spreadsheet with just under 100 invalid wayspots in it (all LFL on PRP), including a column of links to street views.

For a handful of wayspots on schools I also came across while reviewing this last week, I have those entries queued up to submit via Ingress, and have regular map links to the schools in question to add to the text box. (As soon as I get some more report invalid wayspot tokens.)

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i forgot there was a limit to the number of reports you could make. thankfully i never run into that many.

Heh. During the recent challenge, after I ran out of the various edits, and burned out on reviews, I wanted to still do something. So I used up all of those as well.

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1- I’d like the highlighting to default to off. It’s definitely nice to have as a tool if at first read you don’t see the differences. What about when you see one that’s “more correct” but still has a typo like it’s now the correct name of the playground but says “Ventura County Playgroumd” instead of “playground”? Which one is better?

2- Too many times the supporting photo isn’t helpful, like it doesn’t give any perspective to the first photo but with satellite view or street view you can easily determine the validity of the submission. But I feel the same, if you have to use the same photo for both then were you really there?

3- So maybe a button next to “MARK AS DUPLICATE” that says “report”? That could get crazy.

4-Yes! I’m crazy into Pokemon GO gyms. I created and leveled up Ingress to level 12, just so I can location edit portals unseen in PoGo. I’m constantly maxed on submissions in both games. I want to see those stats and pogo tools doesn’t save that info across devices. Plus it’s tallies are off. I don’t think it can properly handle the amount of data I provide.

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Ive ran into instances where my supporting photo is extremely unuasable, i spend my time getting a good main photo, and sometimes i just snap a quick supporting photo while i run to catch up with my family, often find the photo never clicked for pke reason or another when its already too late.

I want to add to roli’s comment the fact that is possible someone can forget to take a supporting photo and notice it several hours later when they are not able to correct this error because, maybe, the won’t go back there never. This happened to me a few times and I was lucky they got approved anyway.

I really wish an option to send a third description/name or correct them, something like that. Just like the “suggest a new location” button, but for text.

How would that work if 40 people send 40 different versions of a text?

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And what if staff were the ones to go through all of these suggestions, not reviewers? Sure would add to their workload, and they may not even know what may be the best title/description.

Perhaps the reason PGO cannot report edits or deletions unless they are local is because of the remote raid pass.

This has always been the case, even before remote raid passes were introduced. You were always supposed to be within a certain distance to interact with stops/gyms, but during the pandemic, the distance was increased due to social distancing, and remote raid passes came about as well.

The original distance was 40 meters, but was increased to 80 meters in 2020. The 80 meter distance was made permanent in 2021 after feedback from players who asked that it remain after it was going to be removed.

I also remember someone posting a good infographic about the distances in PoGo vs Ingress, so it may be helpful to have around:

Being this has to do with Wayspots on K-12 school grounds, an ineligible location, you don’t really need to be at the location to report the Wayspot,. The Wayspot can be reported using the Reporting Abuse link at the top of the forums, or even the Wayspot Removals link.

So, regardless of the game, you have options to remotely report ineligible Wayspots that you yourself may not be able to report for removal in-game. I’ve done this for Wayspots that shouldn’t be eligible that I’ve found while reviewing.

The timeline is certainly true.
But as long as Remote Raid Pass is the current game system, it is impossible to make it identical to Ingress.
Because it will be possible to remote raid Pokémon gyms anywhere in the world via deepLink.
If you made a change to allow Remote Raid only when someone else invites you, you might be able to remove the restrictions on editing and deleting.
However, if you ask any PGO trainer, they would not want such a change, so it would be difficult to remove the restrictions.

You cannot remote raid from anywhere in the world if using Campfire; there is a limit on the area where you can join a remote raid through that app. If a friend invites you, you can remote raid from anywhere in the world (example would be a friend in PoGo from Japan sending a raid request to someone in Brazil). Those spoofing their location are abusing the system, even if they are using Ingress to do so.

Besides, remote raids have nothing to do with Wayfarer. Keep in mind that PoGo didn’t even have the option to do Wayfaring at first, and many of the original stops/gyms were imports, either from Ingress or a 3rd party source. Wayfarer didn’t fully open up to eligible PoGo players until the end of 2019. Remote raids didn’t come about until 2020, so I just don’t see how any of this is logical.

And as a PoGo player, I wish we had the same distances as Ingress, but PoGo has always been a game where they want you to be in the nearby area to interact with stops/gyms. It’s a game that encourages players to get out and explore, while catching Pokémon at the same time.

That’s because it’s a campfire.
The Campfire link is not the same as the PGO link.
If it were similar, or not beyond the current nearby, you would be able to make editing feasible within a few hundred meters of the perimeter.
But if it is equivalent to Ingress, as you are asking, then anyone can click on the deep link of a particular PGO to reach a specific PokeStop or Pokemon Gym.
In that case, there is no guarantee that a raid battle is impossible with the current game system.
On the contrary, it is highly likely that raid battles are possible, considering that a nearby can select itself and remote raid.
If this is the case, it will have a significant impact on the PGO game system.
Therefore, the elimination of the distance limit in PGO would be a matter for the PGO team, not the Wayfarer team, but would be difficult in light of the above.
Also, there is no point in mentioning spoofing here, since it was originally a violation of the Terms of Service.
It’s not a smart opinion to bring up a bad means and say "it’s not a problem because you can do it this way.

Your logic of remote raids though makes no sense when it come to Wayfarer.

As a result, however, it could be abused as a tool to upset the balance of the PGO game.