Someone elses post has given me a few questions, so as to not hijack their thread I started a new one…
The post was regarding art on an apartment block, I am aware that nominations are allowed in the communal areas but what about if it is on one of the appartments?
Is each of the appartments classed as a Single Family Residence?
In the original post the art work was actually on a garage door below the appartments, assumption is each of these are owned / rented by one of the tenants / home owner. Would they be acceptable?
And to finish, in my area we have council owned blocks of garages that you can rent if you don’t have one at your home. Would nominations on these be acceptable?
An apartment building by definition has multiple units housing multiple families. By definition this is not a single family residence.
Art work on them can be eligible. Note the use of “can”. Each nomination should be reviewed on its own merits regarding whether it meets criteria and should not otherwise be excluded.
I would consider the external walls of a building that is internally split into flats to be a communal item. If a repair was needed to an external wall the costs would be spread amongst the whole and not one specific flat. All the flats rely on that wall.
If a set of garages or lock ups was a distinct structure I think is harder. I would tend to lean to the whole not belonging to an individual and I don’t think a totally separate block just of garages is a residential property.
I own a flat in England. I dont own the outside walls, actually in many blocks you dont own the windows either!
So yes I view the walls of flats as communal and if there were artwork present I think its fine to nominate it. Garages in a communal block I would view similarly and not as sfprp
The answer completely depends on the situation and we simply have to see it.
In the US, we have “houses” like this which could be owned or rented. Ive drawn a blue box around what makes them multifamily - the units are attached to each other and share a communal roof. But the (very rough) red lines separate where they become single family occupied. Each driveway amd garage belongs to a specific unit.
I can promise you that the people who live around my city would call the driveway and the garage door “their property.” They would not appreciate random strangers wandering onto it to play a mobile game.
In the UK these would be called terraced houses or townhouses and they are single family private residential property (sfprp)
If however there were (for example) 8 homes within your picture of a row of 4 houses, then it would not be considered single family private residential property but apartments or “maisonettes” (which tend to be half a house)
In my situation, the block contains around 50 homes in a U shaped 3 storey block around comunal grounds, with separate garages in a row in a series of garage blocks, around the communal parking area. I would only consider the interior of each apartment to be SFPRP in this situation, not the garages, grounds, external walls, or staircases and halls
I think its one of those that people have different opinions and was just hoping to get a consenses so I could go with the majority.
My personal opinion of what “should” be allowed is different to the rules. I think that if the nomination is on a wall that can be reached from the public footpath it should be OK, people are walking there anyway so a few trainers are not going to make a differance.
If you have to walk on to private land to reach the nominated wall then it shouldn’t be acceptable no matter how many families live there…
Just an opinion and I will try to go with the majority…
Yeah I wanted to share since I know the actual reality of living there and what I am responsible for and what isnt mine.
Here’s a lovely example. The external wall of my flat had damage to the brickwork, but I am not allowed to fix that, and had to ask the landowner to arrange for it to be fixed. They took 3 years to do the repairs.
If I am not allowed to fix a literal hole in my wall, then its definitely not mine, so definitely not SFPRP!
I also cannot prevent other residents from using the garden areas outside my windows, because they are not mine, they are communal. So my “garden” isnt SFPRP either. Hence anyone is allowed to walk across it, use it for a picnic, throw litter on it, etc.
A person could rent a single family private residential property and not be allowed to paint the walls inside or do renovations. That doesn’t mean the space isn’t “private.” It is quite common for the Owner to limit what a Renter is allowed to change or repair in a housing space. But there are also typically laws that limit the Owner from being able to just barge into the Renter’s personal space whenever they feel like it. There must be proper notice.
Its an example of how the communal walls are nothing to do with the residents
The interior of the flats are the only SFPRP
If my walls were mine then the neighbour kids wouldn’t be allowed to kick balls at them all the time
The law in the UK is pretty clear that with flats/apartments, your bit is only the inside, not the outside. Hence why nominations are regularly approved for locations at apartments, but never at private houses or inside flats
Just think that “No Residential or grounds attached” would be easier to review, it would cut out the risk of crowds appearing at your window to Raid and cut the often dispised “I wan’t a gym in my front garden”.
The only exception I can think of which would not effect whoever is living at the property is an example quite local to me. They where the end terrace but had no land to the side of them, a service road ran right up to the wall so people walked past there all the time so a few extra trainers wouldn’t make a difference. Mind you, the full side mural that was there has been removed so the point is mute…
So to summarise; my comments after the original post have not been “This is the law” or “these are the wayfarer rules” just my thoughts on what I would consider a simpler solution.
Thanks for replies / comments, I am still learning…
The issue with this is that apartments would become ineligible. Some apartment blocks are very large and are communities themselves. They often have a cafe, pool, gym, cinema, bar, roof terrace, communal garden, play area etc available for residents and their guests, all of which are eligible items under current rules.
So it isnt quite as simple to word it unfortunately.
Playing the role of “Why do they get a stop when I dont” I have a kettle, a pond, an exercise bike, a telly, been tea total for 8 + years , can stand on the top of the outhouse, can nip round to the neighbours, raised beds and greenhouse (my play area)…
I see what you mean, but the “houses” have different main entrences, no shared community space. I personally see them as “apartments in form of a house”, most laws not. Would in your opinion a mural on the right upper side end of house 51 here be valid? (It got rejected as privaty property):
In this case it should be No, as its a single family residence and there is land to the right. (Wayfarer states you should be able to go right up to the nomination).
But this is the confusion, brother lives in what was a single large “town house” that has been split in to 4 appartments. If that was the case here then the rules state it should be accepted.
In the case I mentioned previously, No 231 is a single family residence but as shown has no land to its left, people walk right by it all the time and you can walk right up to the wall but this is refused by the rules.
It’s starting to look like I am playing devils advecate just for the hell of it but I am just trying to make a point that the current rules can easily lead to confusion and incorrectly refused nominations.
Maybe the scopely takeover may change things as I beleive it is due to Ingress that the rules state you must be able to reach the nomination, not sure of the other games but PoGo could be “as long as you can reach the waypoint whilst on public land”. We will wait and see…
Hi @SlimboyFat71
Imo if the garage is attached to a single family home, it’s a single family garage and ineligible. For me it’s mostly the front door for definition. One front door + more than one family with theire own inner front door behind = not SFPRP, one front door + one family behind = SFPRP.
Than, as a second thing, can it be sanctioned art on the outer wall of a garage? If yes that could maybe help to define that wall.
It was that post that got me thinking in the first place
This thread seems to have switched from clarification to discussion on possible problems whilst trying to implement the rules as they stand (my fault ).
In regards to my brothers example, this was a Single Family Home many years ago and if you didnt spot the 4 gas / electric meter boxes (low down, could be missed due to wall) it could easily be mistaken as still Single Family.
, can stand on the top of the outhouse, can nip round to the neighbours, raised beds and greenhouse (my play area)…