Level 17 S2 park in wrong place

I know that this website is a third party and the parks come from yet another third party so this park location could be wrong.

If it is as shown in game that means the park covers two and a half duplexes and a parking space but the playground and open park space is not covered as a park. There are at least two POIs in the park that are not in Pokemon Go so maybe by classifying the park as a park it will make the game more enjoyable. It appears the location was based off the location of the park sign which is in the highlighted cell, but the cell doesn’t cover the park. Not to mention the park is bigger than one level 17 cell.

The park is the “Harmony Pointe Park” in the Legacy Pointe Subdivision in Fayetteville, Arkansas.

Please let me know if you need more information or if this needs to be addressed in another way. Thank you.

Hi, If I understood you correctly, some park appears shifted from the real location within Pokémon GO? .

If this is correctly understood, then this is something the Wayfarer Team can not assist you with, as this is part of the Pokémon GO Teams responsibility. You would need to reach out to their support channels then.

The underlying data they use is mostly very old Open street Map data. If you correct the data there yourself, one day where Niantic updates with another set of old data, your change might get included.

Harmony Pointe Park


Are you saying that the sign appears in Pokemon Go, but the other two portals do not?
Harmony Pointe Park Gazebo
Harmony Pointe Playground

If that is the issue, then staff will need to check into this.

All 3 of those portals are in the game. I submitted 2 more portals that got approved but are not in Pokemon Go because they would fall within the same level 17 S2 cell as existing portals. There can only be one portal per level 17 cell if the cell is classified as normal, but if the cell is classified as a park it can have more than one portal. Which means if the level 17 S2 cell wasn’t covering duplexes and was in the cell that covered the playground the additional portals might come into the game. If one more portal comes into the game in this level 14 S2 cell then that bigger cell will get a gym in game. So you can see why I believe that an additional level 17 park cell that covers the playground would improve the gameplay.this would also help all Niantic games because they use the same base information system.

S2 cells have nothing to do with portals. Portals must have 20m spacing. Someone with the Wayfarer app can check this out for you, but portals can only currently go live when not within the black circles shown in my screenshot. Past abuse and a brief period where the 20m rule was ignored have created exceptions to that, but this is how it works now.

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I see, I have been trying to research as much as I can but some information is probably old and out of date or maybe was always wrong. So what is the point of the park classification on the level17 S2 cells?

There is a park in Bentonville Arkansas that has the “Horsebarn Trailhead” gym in it could you look at that and see if that is a case of crazy abuse of the system? It has the park classification and that was the only difference (but I can’t see old broken rules).

I think you are getting into Open Street Maps stuff here. The classification there affects the spawns in Pokemon Go, and also affects whether a gym can get the “Elite” status. But Niantic uses old data. I don’t have a good link to information about that handy.

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I think you mean PokéStop for Pokémon GO as opposed to portal, which is for Ingress, right? In any case if you’re talking about Pokémon GO what you’ve said is factually incorrect. Poke stops/gyms are subject to the level 17 S2 cell system. There can only be one per level 17 cell. It doesn’t matter if that cell is over a park or a house or any other space, that information is irrelevant

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Here is an Open Street Maps background for iitc, which shows your area is already labeled “park”

I can’t find “Horsebarn Trailhead” but I found “Horsebarn Trailhead Map”


All these portals meet the 20m rule.

Maybe there is confusion between the words wayspot, portal, and pokestop as @Leedle95 suggested? I am looking at a map of portals, which does not contain all wayspots, and only shows pokestops/gyms, if I manually mark them as such. There could be pokestops/gyms which are not showing on this map if they meet the PoGo algorithm but not the Ingress one.

Yes I was and probably will use the wrong terms. I am only looking at Pokemon Go and the website that I posted the screenshot of.
Yes that is the park I was talking about. Thank you that helps me see it. It looks so full of stuff that it seems broken.

Thank you all for your help. Like I said I am trying to learn to help make the game better.

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I learned a lot of this from the folks at the Wayfarer Discussion Discord (not affiliated with Niantic). If you have questions that we can’t answer here, they may be able to help.

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This is a weird follow up, but the Harmony Pointe Park poke stop disappeared today. Did this post cause it to disappear? Because it shouldn’t have been removed. The poke stop is correct and should be in the game.

It seems like the sign got incorrectly moved… i dk why it would get moved since it was placed correctly. @NianticAaron can you taoe a look at why it got moved and reverse it

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Oh that is bizarre! It is clearly where it was originally pinned on Street View. It is now pinned to whatever this thing is

And it seems there are duplicates for the playground:
Juniors Playground Set at 36.075275, -94.251441
and
Harmony Pointe Playground at 36.075507, -94.251198

The latter of which is off the playground in the field.

That juniors one makes sense to me as a separate set of equipment for the younger kids.

But they are all right there in the same space. If they were separated by some distance, sure, but this is just two different pieces of equipment sharing the same small area. Also, the place marker for the second playset is wrong.

And it seems it could have been intentionally misplaced to ensure both will appear in Pogo.

I would submit and accept that set of equipment for younger kids separately. I do understand what you are saying. I did see that the playground pin was wide, but that happens often when satellite view hasn’t updated when the nomination was submitted. I could understand the pin for the big playground being moved, but not the pin for the park sign, which was spot on.

If that came up in review I wouldn’t consider it separate either geographically or as a distinct entity on its own.