New waypoints being used for max raids

Thanks.

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I have this strange apprehension that we are meant to be the ā€˜validation and quality checks’ that turn their dross into pure gold…

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Without talking with us?

I don’t agree with saying ā€œthis is a slap in the faceā€ or ā€œthey should scrap it and start over.ā€ Here’s why:

1] Other location-based games use non-Lightship maps or put game elements in random spots, and they work fine. Even pokĆ©mon go has random spawns, and no one complains about spawns on private property or places 99% can’t access, like hospitals or military bases - people just don’t see them. As long as the new feature isn’t PvP, it should be okay.

2] The new Overture points aren’t in Lightship and aren’t ingress portals, poke gyms, or anything PvP-related, so there’s no big reason to go there. If they were inaccessible wayspots, then yeah, that’d be a bigger deal.

3] Since Overture points aren’t added to Lightship, they don’t mess with Wayfarer. Players can still submit wayspots in those areas. Compare that to the Foursquare imports in Turkey, India, and Brazil - those really salted the ground for Wayfarer.

4] As for quality, are local businesses from the Overture map really worse than memorial trees, benches, random signs, or little free libraries people build as home stops? Both work fine for gathering resources, if you ask me.

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I requested a removal of a Power Spot at where a pizza place used to be. It’s been closed for a couple of years, torn down, and replaced with a self-serve car wash. It’s still showing up from time to time as a Power Spot.

Also, I have a feeling that PoGo players, especially game ambos, will start to care about where Power Spots are placed, especially if there are monthly events that happen there. Today is Falinks Raid Day, and my area ambo has an event going on downtown, going from gym to gym to battle. Community Days are often held at the large park downtown.

Both these areas have very few Power Spots, yet there are plenty of unused Wayspots that could be used as Power Spots in these areas, as well as good local businesses. If game ambos have an issue with having to find new locations to do Max Battles, especially if there are Max Battle events and the places with the most Power Spots tell them they can’t have their event there, that could be a issue.

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They may not be added to the Lightship map but players still interact with them in the same was as they would a stop or gym.

Why should I reject something on private property, a school or in a dangerous area if Niantic are happy to have players interact with Powerspots at those locations?

Why should I apply the criteria of something being in the correct location or having a good description and/or picture if Niantic are not interested in that?

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Niantic seem cool with power spots in the middle of roads too. Guess we dont need safe pedestrian access anymore :sweat_smile:

As far as I can tell, nothing I reported for either being in the middle of a road or being at someone’s house has been removed - hard to tell when they disappear anyway but 1 has been there each day so far

And yet today Ive submitted some carved stonework at an old house which is now apartments and you bet thatll be rejected for private residential property :laughing:

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Power Spots are to last for 2 days, 48 hours; this is what the counter is for on them. They disappear at 4:59am local time, and at 5am new ones will replace the ones that have disappeared. However, depending on the location, some Power Spots that expire just get added back at 5am. That’s what I’ve noticed with the ones in my area.

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Yeah I think one near me must have re-appeared again because its been there the whole time (that Ive been awake)

Many of the points on Overture maps are of surprisingly low quality, but even worse is the accuracy of the location information.
I have always considered Foursquare’s location data to be the least accurate. However, Overture maps are far worse than this.
Half the time, the PINs were placed about 500 meters off, and the worst ones were in another town, about 2 km off.
Also, when we looked at what was shown as a power spot, the rest of the things are not POIs, nor are they power spots.
They are just local business offices (not sales outlets) or factories (cannot be toured), and duplicates of existing PokeStops and Pokemon gyms that are live a few hundred meters apart.

Lightship and Wayfarer team staff should edit this map daily to make it worthy of use.
In the past, Niantic has been accused of free-riding on the part of Open Street Map.
And like OSM, the Overture maps is open data and needs to be edited by those who sponsor it.
Just as the correct locations are populated by Wayfarer’s database, they should be used.

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LOL even better, that building is now a power spot - clearly one of the apartments houses a business owner. I don’t know that this will help my case though

The reporting bad ones is getting out of hand in some communities where there are multiple groups that are doing things to be petty to other groups. It was already a thing were legitimate POIs were being reported by entire groups just to be petty to another group. It seems like these power spots are much easier to get removed and have already started feuds in local communities. It also seems some people are trying to abuse the system and get one as close to themselves as possible as they have seen if they get existing ones removed, new ones post up in the area to take their place. This system needs paused, reset, and reworked before starting it back.

As far as I understand it, these rotate anyways so it’s hard to tell if one has been permanently removed from the map.

Especially as there’s no confirmation like when you report a Portal/PokĆ©Stop on the games, and you get an email when you report and then one later with the decision.

It’s the same if you report a Route I suppose. Your report just goes off in to the void never to be heard from again.

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I have a good experience with reporting a route. They came back to me in the chat and deleted it. Fast and clean.

I don’t think that we have to maintain them. The given tools aren’t ready for that.
You can’t f.e. report the generic business or do location edits.
As long as it is so hard to clean that up, I don’t think we’re asked to do that :woman_shrugging:t2:
But who I am

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I also reported 1 route, early on, and it was removed. It looked like someone had tied their phone to their cat to record it - it was just loops and squiggles across a load of gardens :laughing:

One of the max spots I reported which had disappeared is back today, so they aren’t necessarily removed even if they disappeared. They probably just ran down their timer and naturally vanished. I agree it’s not really our job to fix this- if they wanted our help they would have asked

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Looking on the positive side at least they haven’t asked us to scan them… yet.

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Ah, my only experience with reporting Routes is through the in game report. I’ll try the support chat next time.

Oh that’d look so shifty, scanning all these people’s houses :sweat_smile:

Also great fun scanning random sections of residential road that supposedly have a business in the middle of them.

From what I observe around me there is a pattern emerging.
I have 1 level 14 cell where there appears to be only 2 nodes that can activate as powerspots and these are constantly refreshing. So it gives the appearance of always available although they are on 2 day cycles.
In another Level 14 cell there are more nodes that can be activated. So far 5, all wayspots, are powerspots. I just have to wait and see tomorrow what appears next but it could take quite a few days to cycle through the nodes in that cell.
So I would allow some time to see how many nodes are potentially active in any one cell. If you see a case that clearly needs to be reported then you have a relatively narrow window of 2 days to report and you might have to wait some time at the moment to see if it has been actioned.
So we are I think in an observation phase and be prepared as it might take time to shake out.

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Half inch a roll and get exercise running away ?

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